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    Hi Ridstars

    I don't know why the media has suddenly found dog attacks so exciting.

    I do know that the way dog attacks have been counted has recently changed to include counting dogs that harrass or frighten people or animals - whether or not damage was done and in SA they've started including dog attacks - where the people went to hospital emergency but were able to go straight home after getting treated - ie didn't need surgery to get stitched back up.

    So in SA and NSW that has roughly doubled the count. But the number of attacks that meet the new criteria - probably hasn't changed much.

    Its stunning how people will identify any cross breed that looks vaguely staffy x as a "pitbull". One of the latest has RSPCA's chief Knob head Hugh Wirth refering to it as an "English Bull Terrier" when he means "Bull Terrier". And they think it's a cross but it looks like a purebred to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    I think its a bit to do with the way people dont interact with other people anymore.
    They own dogs but dont even get to know thier neighbours. The dog hardly see's outside its own fenced prison , it somehow gets out and then because it hasnt been socialised properly it dosnt know how to react to such wierd things as a little kid yelling and running or a strange pram approaching it or a bicycle rider looking like prey as it runs away.
    We live in a culdesac where nearly all the neighbours know each other almost like family, if anyone needs somthing we rely on each other everytime. It's really amazing and a special street. We recently had a young couple move into our street from sydney and they are totally amazed how we all get along. They told me the other night they have never got to know thier neighbours or visited them for a arvo beer where they have lived before. It blows them away that 2 blokes sharing a arvo beer can turn into a whole street party without it been planned. It just happens. We have about 7 dogs in our street and except for one dog they all get along fine with everyone and each other. The socialising we do has paid off big time for our pets aswell. There are other things that contribute aswell like media hype and wankers who love owning 'tough dogs' but thankfully i dont have to deal with that type of thing here.
    Thats what i reckon has a bit to do with it anyway.
    Did you say you lived in Ramsay street, Sean? lol, just kidding. It's great you live in a nice friendly street. I love my street, I know my immediate neighbours.

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    I think there are several issues :

    1. The media(Herald sun in particular) is on a witch hunt\

    2. Exactly what sean had said

    3. Too many people own dogs who live in a backyard and never get the level of exercise their breed deserves - hence when they finally get freedom they just go nuts

    4. Lack of understanding of dogs needs by owners

    I'm sure there are other issues but i think 2 and 3 are quite likely the biggest contributing factors - get a nice hot sunny day and the beach i take jack to every day you can gaurantee there will be fights, always caused by what i refer to as the "once a year dog walkers". Any other day, virtually no even minor scraps. Winter rocks at my beach, no one else is willing to brave the cold, just me and a few other die hard dog lovers who all know each other and i don't even have to watch for rogues!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    OK, I do agree that my original post could have been worded better and that the woose bag comment about Mr Di Vito was unwarranted.

    But I'd like to move on and have a civilised debate with Peter70 and anyone else about the unnecessary targeting of American Pit Bull Terrier as the current 'devil dog'.

    I have lived in Australia for a long time; I am now 55 years old. I remember when the German Shepherd dog was the devil dog here, and how young thugs took pride in owning a shepherd back in the 60's. Then the Dobermann took on that mantle and young thugs owned Dobermanns. After that, the Rottweiler became the breed of choice, and if a young man wanted to have a tough dog, he got a Rottweiler.

    But now it is the American Pit Bull Terrier's turn and all of of the easily led folk who believe the Murdoch press 'know' that the APBT is an evil beast.

    The GSD, the Dobermann, and the Rottweiler are not evil dog breeds, and neither is the American Pit Bull Terrier. All these fine breeds have been smeared by having owners who are less than perfect, and have been vilified by a sensationalist press who just want good headlines.

    Neos could very easily become the breed targeted by the sensationalist press and this was why I mentioned then. I do know that Neos are Peter70's current breed and I was trying to point out to him that he could very easily find himself in the same situation as I find myself.

    I own an American Pit Bull Terrier; Hobbes is now 11 years old, he has never injured a human or another dog; he is the only one of my three dogs that I let my grandson play with; he is the only one of my three dogs that I visit nursing homes with as a therapy dog; he is used by dog trainers as a 'reference dog' to socialise problem dogs.

    Occasionally, American Pit Bull Terriers have problem owners; this is not the fault of the APBT. As much as I'd like to say that the APBT is more than other dogs, they are not. The APBT is just another dog breed.

    We dog owners have to defend our dogs, not squabble amongst ourselves.

    Peter70, over to you; I'd just like for us to have a civilised discussion. I'm thinking that we are probably both on the same page but we could have introduced ourselves to each other better. I will admit to a tendency to go out with all guns firing when diplomacy would be a better option.

    Cheers,

    ricey
    Looks like peter70 and everyone else is not going to respond to my post.

    That is a pity, as I was genuine in my desire to foster a good discussion about the issues I described.

    Anyway, maybe next time. I am open to discussing the issues with anyone.

    ricey.

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    I really dont know what you want me to say, there is no debate? i agree with what most of you think, what i disagree with is the way you went about attacking the staffy owner, youve addressed that, end of story from my end.
    As for BSL only a miracle will save Pitbulls from it, very sad and unfair but thats where its at.

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    Hi Peter70,

    I am sorry for my unwarranted attack on the staffy owner. It really was uncalled for. I admit to a tendency to go out with all guns blazing when it would be better for me to use my brains.

    Having said that, I really would like to have a civilized discussion with you and everyone else about the issues involved.

    As you say, only a miracle will save pit bulls from the BSL disaster, but I'd hope that we could do something about that.

    American Pit Bull Terriers are fine dogs but they are just dogs. You know and I know that APBT's are just another dog breed that that has been targeted by the press. Any dog breed could find themselves in the cross hairs. The next breed could be Belgian Shepherds. Or pugs LOL!

    I really do think that all us dog owners should agree to bury our differences and agree to support each other.

    I accidentally ended up with an American Pit Bull Terrier; previously, I have owned a pug, and then a Maltese/Shih Tsu/Silky cross. APBT's were so far removed from my experience of dogs that I had no idea what an APBT was.

    Now I know what an APBT is; they are (to me) the best dogs ever!

    These dogs are indomitable; they have so much courage; these dogs won't quit; these dogs are so healthy; these dogs are so good with children; these are the best dogs ever!

    These dogs sometimes have shit owners; that is not their fault.

    ricey

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    Such is Life
    Last edited by Rid****; 12-11-2011 at 08:41 AM.

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    I guess licencing has some merit but have you had a look at people driving on our roads lately?
    Sure they ticked all the boxes of resposibility etc when they were getting thier licence, but now they have, do you think they care?
    Even the threat of losing thier licence or even death as a consequence of thier actions doesnt stop them, I have no idea what will.

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    Such is Life
    Last edited by Rid****; 12-11-2011 at 08:41 AM.

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    I thought the smack i got when i was younger helped me rather than hindered.

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