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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    I thought " this website looks bogus " Further investigation showed an interview with none other than Bill Bruce, Mr. Calgary himself, The person and city that Pitbull owner/enthusiasts hold up in high esteem and as their, poor as I have shown, Shining light example of how Pitbulls can be integrated into a community.
    The Video interveiws are engineered to support the usual rubbish trotted out by Pitbull apologists The Web Site is not so obvious about it but things like " The Pitbull Placebo" being one of the only publications raised my neck hairs so I thought I'd do some digging. The domain www.nationalcanineresrearchcouncil.com is has a technical contact of gmeyer@animalfarmfoundation.org. So I went to Animal Farm Foundation Home and you never what I found. A picture of a Pitbull with some elderly people and an Amy Marder quote [she is held up as some impartial authority]
    What a Sham and an example of the honesty and integrity of some parts of the pro Pitbull community. I sent en email to Gabriel Meyer. Lets see what he says.

    Website looks legit to me. There are several publications listed and links to lot of good resources about all different issues not just BSL.

    Various interviews with well respected vets.

    You will find issue with any site that is anti bsl and pro pit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    Basically a tretise of Pro/Pitbulls or American Staffordshire Bull Terriers or American Bulldogs or St. Francis Terriers or New Yorkies or whatever propaganda. Runs the usual defenses of
    Other breeds bite and kill.
    You can't identify them reliably.
    Blame the deed not the breed.
    It's all a media conspiracy.

    Even the forward is chock full of those stories designed and written to appeal to the emotions.
    No stories of a child's courageous fightback from the horrific injuries suffered from a pitbull attack.

    Just look at this stuff excerpted from the book:
    We—the silent, the abused, the forgotten, the exiled, and the forsaken—wish there was a
    way to express our gratitude to our stalwart defender, Jane Berkey. After decades of abuse
    at the hands of those we love most, few have come forth to recognize our continued devotion
    to “mankind.” Few have stood up and given voice to our suffering—few have fought
    so passionately in our defense.
    To our crusader, Jane Berkey, we, the Pit bulls, thank you.


    Pitbulls are painted as the downtrodden victims and innocents of evil BSL crusaders.
    The book never really gets to the issue of why the breed is so overrepresented in attacks and fatalities.
    Oh, and here's the killer, I did an image search on Karen Delise and here is what I came up with.
    Her with her arm around a, guess what sort of dog, it can't be can it, a Pitbull. Who would have thought it?
    Pro Pitbull propaganda written by someone with a Pittbull.
    ummmmmmm ... what was that stat again. 2 out of 32 fatalities from dog attacks in the last 33 years were "pitbulls". yep, keep showing that stupid avatar of yours, keep showing your ignorance to the real problem.

    and from what i understand that stat is from an independant researcher i.e the monash uni, keep peddling your lies and emotive propoganda. Well done!

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    Clubsprint, please answer this question. Which other breeds do you suggest we ban? Given in just the past few weeks, very nasty injuries have been sustained due to labradors, GSD and rottweiler. Not that long ago, a child was killed by a border collie. So which breeds and why?

    Remember, 2 out of 32!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    ummmmmmm ... what was that stat again. 2 out of 32 fatalities from dog attacks in the last 33 years were "pitbulls". yep, keep showing that stupid avatar of yours, keep showing your ignorance to the real problem.

    and from what i understand that stat is from an independant researcher i.e the monash uni, keep peddling your lies and emotive propoganda. Well done!
    For those that missed it the first time around.
    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    Pitbulls are killers, two deaths is two deaths that didn't need to happen.
    Is 2 deaths OK by you? Is it OK that two people die (probably children) so that you can have a Pitbull?

    Incidently, taken from the article you refer to here, some of the killers have been a Siberian husky, four bull mastiffs, a rottweiler, and crossbreeds of boxer, greyhound, pit bull and mastiffs so I'd be concerned if I owned a mastif.
    2 out of 32 equals approx 6%. Does the number of Pitbulls representesd as a percentage of the total dog population in Australia come anywhere near that?

    Also from the article you referred to
    In Canberra, however, RSPCA scientific officer Jade Norris says there is "some evidence that certain dog breeds have a greater genetic predisposition towards aggressive behaviour.

    "They might also have a lower trigger point for aggression and due to their physical size and strength they may have a greater capacity to inflict serious injury compared to other breeds."
    Interesting. Let's see what's going on in Calgary (Doesn't that city get held up as the mecca for Pitbull owners?) "After years with Labrador retrievers at the top of Calgary's most-likely to bite list, pitbull and pitbull-type terriers have suddenly taken a dubious lead, passing both shepherds and retrievers."
    In Calgary? No!
    Article Biting criticism of dog owners | Columnists | Opinion | Calgary Sun Lets see what else we can find in Calgary about Pitbulls.
    What does an actual Calgary resident think?Calgary Pit Bull Attacks
    Lastly this link Pitbull Attacks, Maulings, and Killings
    Linda Watsons research only talks about deaths, it doesn't talk about maulings and bites. The evidence about these dogs is overwhelming.
    Didn't like my avatar of Ayen Chol becuase it reminded you of a life snuffed out.
    I'm sorry you don't like this one.
    Would you prefer maybe a picture from one one of the recent Pitbull attacks of the victims with their horrific injuries? Maybie I can fing one from Calgary.
    What lies?
    Last edited by clubsprint; 09-20-2011 at 07:00 PM.

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    Since the late 1800's the exact same thing happening now with 'pit bulls' (undetermined crossbreeds of a specific structure) has happened with the following:

    Bloodhound - Many different names used for many different types, same thing occuring, as the dog grew more popular, more attacks happened adding a 'ferocious' label to the dog, substandard owners are attracted to the breed, causing more attacks.

    Newfoundland. Same thing.

    Airedale Terrier. Same thing.

    Fox Terrier. Same thing.

    Boston Terrier. Same thing.

    Bulldogs (encompassing all bull breeds including the English Bulldog). Same thing.

    Mongrels. Same thing.

    Huskies, Malamutes and sled dogs of various descriptions. Same thing.

    German Shepherd. Same thing.

    Dobermann. Same thing.

    Rottweiller. Same thing.

    APBT. Same thing.

    Collies. Same thing. Yes the Lassie dogs, both short coat and long.

    The only thing that is the same across all fields (with one or two exceptions) has been human irresponsibility and malice.

    Most of the reported attacks have precursers to the story telling how the dog was teased, beaten, starved, abused and tormented before it has attacked. Or people have knowingly bought a dog for the specific purpose of guarding (without human direction or discretion) a home, business or farmland.

    Clubsprint, read the whole book. What you read was a dedication written by someone else and used in the book. Then come back and damn it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Website looks legit to me. There are several publications listed and links to lot of good resources about all different issues not just BSL.

    Various interviews with well respected vets.

    You will find issue with any site that is anti bsl and pro pit.
    Sorry, just have to correct one thing here.

    Website is not pro any breed. It is pro responsible ownership and accurate reporting of attacks in the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Website looks legit to me. There are several publications listed and links to lot of good resources about all different issues not just BSL.

    Various interviews with well respected vets.

    You will find issue with any site that is anti bsl and pro pit.
    It's like a cigarette company running a site about smoking and then claiming impartiality. But if you have no problem with that......OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    It's like a cigarette company running a site about smoking and then claiming impartiality. But if you have no problem with that......OK
    It's not pro any breed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    Pitbulls are painted as the downtrodden victims and innocents of evil BSL crusaders.
    The book never really gets to the issue of why the breed is so overrepresented in attacks and fatalities.
    Oh, and here's the killer, I did an image search on Karen Delise and here is what I came up with.
    Her with her arm around a, guess what sort of dog, it can't be can it, a Pitbull. Who would have thought it?
    Pro Pitbull propaganda written by someone with a Pittbull.
    Evidently you haven't read the book. If you have you havent understood it at all. It explains exactly what is the cause, and explains the effect too. Keep reading & you will find out.

    Who gives a flying rats ass if she has her arm around a dog?? What the heck does that have to do with anything?

    Oh look everyone, clubsprints come to try to close yet another thread because it can't handle the truth of our society!
    Last edited by AngelanBatty; 09-20-2011 at 07:27 PM.

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    I think this member should be banned already tbh. They're not here for discussion, as they keep avoiding any question that actually engages in intelligent conversation and instead prefers to refer to irrelevant points or anecdotes. Trolling? Seems so. I'm personally getting sick of seeing the same crap over and over xD

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