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    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    I think that most of us recognise the RSPCA as an organisation that has the welfare of animals as its main aim.

    I do agree that in the past the RSPCA has not always done well as far as dogs are concerned (mostly due to that absolute penis head Hugh Wirth), but ever since Hugh got unceremoniously dumped as national president, the RSPCA has improved out of sight!

    Of course, Hughie boy is still the RSPCA president in Victoria and Victoria is the pin up boy for stupid dog legislation.

    So let's read what the current national RSPCA president has to say about BSL-

    ricey
    ricey - concerning your libelous post about Dr Hugh Wirth. Maybe you'd like to share with us your information about Dr Wirth being "dumped unceremoniously" as you say. I notice he is still on the RSPCA board of directors as an elected member. You may also notice that this "penis head" as you call him has been nominated as Australian of the Year for 2012.
    Lets take a look at some of this "penis heads" accomplishments
    Dr Hugh Wirth is one of Australia’s foremost animal welfare advocates. He was inspired to join the RSPCA as a junior member in 1948 after the secretary visited his school. He went on to train as a vet and has now been a council member for RSPCA Victoria since 1969, and President since 1972. He has devoted some 50,000 volunteer hours to ensure the welfare of animals. He is former president of the World Society for the Protection of Animals and was the first non-European to hold the position.

    In 1988, Dr Wirth was the first Australian to receive the prestigious George T Angell Humanitarian Award, presented to an individual with exceptional commitment to animals and their quality of life and who has had a profound influence on public attitudes to animals. Dr Wirth has dedicated his life to giving a voice to the voiceless..

    Of course this must pale in comparison to your accomplishment's, what were they, nothing? Oh well.
    Last edited by clubsprint; 10-06-2011 at 06:41 PM.

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    Actually Dr Wirth is NOT a supporter of BSL. He may have been at one point but has changed his stance to ensure that he does not overstep his boundaries.... His thoughts are now in line with that of the entirety of the RSPCA...

    Video: Dr Hugh Wirth speaks about RSPCA Policy on BSL [20 Apr 2010] on Vimeo

    Link to RSPCA's stance: What is a dangerous dog? - RSPCA Australia knowledgebase

    Link to RSPCA UK's stance: Question 8 - Details - rspca.org.uk

    Link to ASPCA's (America) stance: ASPCA | Breed Specific Legislation

    MDBA (Master Dog Breeders Association: Master Dog Breeders and Associates • View topic - MDBA Policies 14 Breed specific legislation

    Plus the Australian Veterinary Association: Cookie support required | Australian Veterinary Association

    I'm sure with another half an hour I could find double that.

    How many respected, well known associations do you need to show you that BSL is flawed?

    Can someone who isn't ignored by CS please quote and repost this? Thanks!

    ETA a few more:

    http://www.ava.com.au/newsarticle/new-dog-laws-victoria

    http://www.ccac.net.au/issues/Danger...es,_aggression

    http://www.avma.org/issues/policy/da...egislation.asp
    Last edited by AngelanBatty; 10-06-2011 at 07:54 PM. Reason: To add more links

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    I'll assume you mean dogsbite.org as you don't actually mention it by name.
    all of the outside references she uses never mention breed once! You say. Well I have compiled 4 random stories from the Website and found outside links to each story done by googling the victims name and guess what, the "outside" stories mention the breeds as Pitbulls[/B]
    dogsbite.org is biased as all hell against pitbulls, much like you, and I can see why you wan't to believe this website so much! But you have to think about this logically and critically and stop taking everything at face value.

    all the stories that she has on that website have been specifically chosen because they involve pitbulls with about 5 minutes on google i have found plenty of stories of attacks from different breeds.

    Kelpie and a Jack Russell
    http://http://www.news.com.au/nation...-1111117387218

    2 Rottweilers
    http://http://http://www.dailymail.c...ttweilers.html

    Rottweiler

    http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...ed-attack.html

    Siberian Husky
    http://http://www.abc.net.au/news/20...pet-dog/653078
    http://http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/39344322.html

    Chihuahua
    http://http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1...olice-officer/

    Heeler / Heeler x
    http://http://allbreedsbite.blogspot...k-toddler.html
    http://http://www.dogclinic.net/faq/...ssion/1154.htm
    Odessa Child Brutally Mauled By Blue Heeler - PermianBasin360.com

    Well how would she know about the attacks if they weren't reported?
    This woman is only able to gather her breed specific information from news articles, and usually news articles that get a lot of press, these ones are always biased towards large powerful breeds, especially the APBT, plus who actually names these breeds? who says that the dogs who attacked were APBT? the victim? the witnesses? the police? are ANY of these people qualified to make these judgments? even within the group of people who make these judgments there are always arguments and differences of opinion.

    the fact is everything on dogsbite.org is biased towards pitbulls. THIS DOES NOT HELP THE UNDERLYING PROBLEMS WITH DOG OWNERSHIP.

    you have to critically think about these things clubsprint. please. these dogs are not genetically bad. a basic understanding of genes and inheritance shows that a phenotype is affected not only by the genotype of the individual but also by it environment.

    these dogs are hard dogs to deal with they need to be trained and socialized when very young. it is not just criminals who have bad dogs its people who simply do not know any better. but in saying that so does every breed and every dog.

    once all the pitbulls are gone (if they ever achieve that) then what? the world if a perfect place? the criminals wont bother breeding aggressive dogs anymore? think logically, banning a breed will only shove another into the limelight. Im thinking the amstaff first, then rottie, then dobe.

    whats your opinion?
    "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semihuman. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Actually Dr Wirth is NOT a supporter of BSL. He may have been at one point but has changed his stance to ensure that he does not overstep his boundaries.... His thoughts are now in line with that of the entirety of the RSPCA...

    Video: Dr Hugh Wirth speaks about RSPCA Policy on BSL [20 Apr 2010] on Vimeo

    Link to RSPCA's stance: What is a dangerous dog? - RSPCA Australia knowledgebase

    Link to RSPCA UK's stance: Question 8 - Details - rspca.org.uk

    Link to ASPCA's (America) stance: ASPCA | Breed Specific Legislation

    MDBA (Master Dog Breeders Association: Master Dog Breeders and Associates • View topic - MDBA Policies 14 Breed specific legislation

    Plus the Australian Veterinary Association: Cookie support required | Australian Veterinary Association

    I'm sure with another half an hour I could find double that.

    How many respected, well known associations do you need to show you that BSL is flawed?

    Can someone who isn't ignored by CS please quote and repost this? Thanks!
    Gladly. Even though i cant see his B.S response.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    In 1988, Dr Wirth was the first Australian to receive the prestigious George T Angell Humanitarian Award, presented to an individual with exceptional commitment to animals and their quality of life and who has had a profound influence on public attitudes to animals. Dr Wirth has dedicated his life to giving a voice to the voiceless..

    Of course this must pale in comparison to your accomplishment's, what were they, nothing? Oh well.
    oh please have you ever met the man?
    what are YOUR accomplishments?
    You my friend are very childish.

    I have actually met High Wirth (RSPCA) and Graeme Smith (Lost Dogs' Home) and I was highly unimpressed with them. In my opinion working with animals takes a toll on you after a while, and especially animal welfare the things you see and the things you have to do way heavy on you. These two men may have done great things in their past but they need to move on, as do many many in the 'animal welfare' movement.
    "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semihuman. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Actually Dr Wirth is NOT a supporter of BSL. He may have been at one point but has changed his stance to ensure that he does not overstep his boundaries.... His thoughts are now in line with that of the entirety of the RSPCA...
    Video: Dr Hugh Wirth speaks about RSPCA Policy on BSL [20 Apr 2010] on Vimeo
    I'm a little confused here, is Hugh a good guy or (as ricey would have you believe) a bad guy. You can't have it both ways.
    Actually Hugh does not talk at all about his personal views. Listen carefully to his wording. He talks about the RSPCA public policy. Not his own views. Given his past statements about Pitbulls I think his personal view is much different. First lets look at his last statement on the Video

    "The Victorian legislation is not to exterminate the breed but rather to make it so difficult and so expensive you won't bother.

    " If that is not Legislation aimed at one or a limited number of breeds then really I don't know what is Is this BSL?
    More past statements. 2009 "RSPCA Victoria president Dr Hugh Wirth said the dogs were a menace and were not suitable as pets for anyone.
    "They are time bombs waiting for the right circumstances,'' Dr Wirth said." Strong words, I'd be surprised to see a turnaround in just a year. More than likely he is "towing the organizational line"
    The RSPCA was citicized for passing off APBT's as other breeds so as to find them homes. Although doubtful this was a legitimate practice I wouldn't be surprised that this was done by Pitbull advocates working within the organization. Being that it's an organization that releis on donated funds and labour I wouldn't be surprised to find some of these misguided fools working there.
    RSPCA renames potentially dangerous dog breeds
    by: Alex White
    From: Sunday Herald Sun
    August 28, 2011 12:00AM
    THE RSPCA is adopting out potentially dangerous cross-bred dogs under friendlier names.
    Animal welfare sources have told of up to 11 dogs up for adoption on the RSPCA website labelled "Staffordshire Terrier Cross" that display strong pit bull characteristics. RSPCA Victoria president Hugh Wirth admitted the issue of classifying mix-breed animals under unrestricted dog types had been of concern to the organization for a while. Despite employing vets to weed out the dangerous breeds, pit bulls were difficult to identify without DNA testing, Mr Wirth said. "The admissions came after an unregistered pit bull cross mauled and killed four-year-old Ayen Chol in St Albans this month."
    "There is only one type of Staffordshire terrier and that is an English one," Dr Wirth said.
    "They may look like a pit bull but you can't be sure."
    Mixed breeds are not currently restricted under Victorian law.
    Dog owners and breeders are fuelling the problem, often registering dogs with their local council as an unrestricted breed.
    In the City of Greater Dandenong only three pit bulls are registered, yet there are 70 American Staffordshire terriers within the city.
    One dog flagged by industry experts as a pit bull cross on the RSPCA adoption website was two-year-old Florence labelled as a Staffordshire Terrier cross that was recommended to a home without young children or other animals.
    Lost Dogs Home managing director Graeme Smith said the practice was not rife but it needed to be looked at.
    "We are seeing pit bull terrier types becoming prevalent in shelters so it is tricky, but we recognize what a pit bull terrier is and we are not going to change the name and sell it to somebody." (Funny didn't I say that some time ago)
    Dr Wirth said the American pit bull was a pure breed genetically designed for fighting.
    “The problem we’ve got in Australia is we’ve got a large number of irresponsible dog owners of American pit bull terriers who refuse to recognize the potential of the dog as a fighting, aggressive machine,” he said.
    “(They) don’t keep this very special dog in a way that it can not possibly hurt any member of the community, or any other animal for that matter.”
    “The problem is these dogs are bred solely to fight, so they have a very low threshold of tolerance of other dogs and if they feel as though they’re threatened in any way, this genetic conditioning kicks in and they become a raging beast.They’ll attack anything they think is a threat to themselves, whether it’s a human or whether it’s another dog and they won’t stop attacking until that alleged threat to their safety disappears.”

    "The Victorian legislation is not to exterminate the breed but rather to make it so difficult and so expensive you won't bother."

    [QUOTE=AngelanBatty;142969]Link to RSPCA's stance: What is a dangerous dog? - RSPCA Australia knowledgebase

    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Link to RSPCA UK's stance: Question 8 - Details - rspca.org.uk
    Let's look at thier Dangerous dogs act
    Reemembering the English laws have been lambasted by all and sundry
    (1)This section applies to—

    (a)any dog of the type known as the pit bull terrier;

    (b)any dog of the type known as the Japanese tosa; and

    (c)any dog of any type designated for the purposes of this section by an order of the Secretary of State, being a type appearing to him to be bred for fighting or to have the characteristics of a type bred for that purpose.

    (2)No person shall—

    (a)breed, or breed from, a dog to which this section applies;

    (b)sell or exchange such a dog or offer, advertise or expose such a dog for sale or exchange;

    (c)make or offer to make a gift of such a dog or advertise or expose such a dog as a gift;

    (d)allow such a dog of which he is the owner or of which he is for the time being in charge to be in a public place without being muzzled and kept on a lead; or

    (e)abandon such a dog of which he is the owner or, being the owner or for the time being in charge of such a dog, allow it to stray.

    The English Legiislation only mentions two breeds

    (a)any dog of the type known as the pit bull terrier;

    (b)any dog of the type known as the Japanese tosa; and

    What do you make of that? We're against BSL but we reserve the right to make laws about specific breeds. WTF?

    Five-year-old Ellie Lawrence was killed by an illegally owned
    pitbull terrier type dog.

    Two pitbull terrier amnesties took place in Northern Ireland
    and the West Midlands area of England during January 21.
    Just some notes from their annual report

    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Link to ASPCA's (America) stance: ASPCA | Breed Specific Legislation
    The ASPCA? I think the ASPCA has been taken over by pitbull advocates articles sing the praises of pitbulls abound and they even quote the National Council For Canine Research which I have already shown to be thinly disguised pitbull advocates pretending to be some form of unbiased independent body.
    Randall Lockwood The Senior Vice President for the ASPCA co-authored a report for the HSUS that among other things stated
    Are "Pit Bulls" Different? An Analysis of the Pit Bull Terrier Controversy, by Randall Lockwood and Kate Rindy
    A dog’s tendency to bite is a product of at least five factors:
    ~ The dog's genetic predisposition to be aggressive
    - The early socialization of the animal to people
    ~ lts training for obedience or mistraining for fighting "
    ~ The quality of care and supervision provided by the owner
    ~ The behavior of the victim

    The dog's genetic predisposition to be aggressive I thought this wasn't a factor? Bred to fight and attack? Doesn't that qualify as "genetic predisposition"?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Yeah Right. An organization built to look after the perceived rights of Dog Breeders. I'm sure they're impartial. And how is membership decided? Pass.

    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Plus the Australian Veterinary Association: Cookie support required | Australian Veterinary Association
    These guys are worried about being sued. "You said it was an AmStaff and would be safe around my kids."
    Last edited by clubsprint; 10-07-2011 at 03:39 PM.

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    Last edited by Keira & Phoenix; 10-07-2011 at 03:42 PM.

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    Look! Someone is flogging a dead horse!

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    Ok I will deal with the flogging dead horse issue now. I suggest using the ignore function rather than inciting childish behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    Ok I will deal with the flogging dead horse issue now. I suggest using the ignore function rather than inciting childish behaviour.
    But that is why we didn't put our hands up for mod duties Pugger.....so we can incite childish behaviour

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