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    I think that most of us recognise the RSPCA as an organisation that has the welfare of animals as its main aim.

    I do agree that in the past the RSPCA has not always done well as far as dogs are concerned (mostly due to that absolute penis head Hugh Wirth), but ever since Hugh got unceremoniously dumped as national president, the RSPCA has improved out of sight!

    Of course, Hughie boy is still the RSPCA president in Victoria and Victoria is the pin up boy for stupid dog legislation.

    So let's read what the current national RSPCA president has to say about BSL-



    Nothing there that I'd complain about.

    ricey

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    I love the pro/pitbull fraternity. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. When asked to back up their accusations/arguments they cant or wont. My opinion is called trolling because I dont/wont agree with you. You post garbage and then seem surprised you get called on it. ricey I did try Googling "is dogsbite.org a reliable site" but I"m not going to bore you with the results or my analysis of same.
    If you peddle garbage don't think I'm not going to challenge it.
    C'mon ricey you put forward The Truth Behind Dogsbite.org - KC DOG BLOG as a "site details reasonably well why and how Colleen Lynn peddles her delusional stuff"
    I pretty easily picked it to bits, aren't you going to defend your assertions?
    Where is the courage of your convictions
    As I keep saying to you ProPitbull crowd.
    Put up or shut up
    And ricey I ask you again Show me the "out of context" quotes?
    And ricey,we've covered a lot of this ground previously, you need to go back and read some older posts, do try to keep up.
    Now, just what bit of my statement "I have chosen to ignore clubsprint" is it that you don't understand?

    This is my final statement to you, troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    After reading Clubsprints responses I don't think there is any point in trying to show him the light.
    Show me the lightt? You sound like a religious zealot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    I prefer Staffies and Bully breeds. Why? Because they are so much fun and so loving and loyal.
    And no other dogs are like this huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    My Amstaff Topaz will try to curl herself up on my lap even though she's WAY too big for it.
    And no other dogs are like this huh? Oh and I thought Amstaffs and Pitbulls were separate breeds? Bit of a slip there eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    She loves my son and plays with any dog she comes across
    And no other dogs are like this huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    She does look intimidating but I love that about her as well.
    Ahh here we go, is that the Lion -Tamer complex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    She will bark to tell me someone is there but if they go to the gate they'll be assaulted only by her tail and her tongue
    And no other dogs are like this huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    I can't understand how people can hate this breed with such passion.
    Actually, I don't hate this breed, I hate what they do, have a look
    17 Barks: Pit bull safety: 7 attack triggers
    Pit Bull Mauls Boy, 5, in Highland City Attack | TheLedger.com
    S.F. boy, 12, killed by his family's pit bulls / Shocked Inner Sunset neighbors call 911 as his mother screams: 'Help me!'
    Pitbull Attacks, Maulings, and Killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    Nobody cares to ask why a dog attacked when it's a Pit Bull or Pit Bull type and that's
    horrible.
    Why should you have to? I know,lets blame the victim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    And Clubsprint refers to the murders in Port Arthur. Well sorry to tell you but I know of a few
    people who have handguns and no they don't own a licence.
    Are you going to feel at all responsible when one of your
    "friends" handgun hurts somebody? Will you feel any resposibility for that? I'm glad to say I don't know anyone with an illegal handgun.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    I know people who grow drugs and sell them, and yes they own massive dogs to protect their crops when they're not home.
    I don't know anyone involved in the drug industry, Not something I'd be proud of. What are you trying to say here? Criminals like Pitbulls. Yeah, I'm sold, get me one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    BSL won't work
    So you Pitbull fans keep saying. why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    because it can't be policed. because people get sneakier.
    Alright then. We should just accept that then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    it only makes them a target for misuse by the people already on the wrong side of the law.
    Criminals like Pitbulls. So you keep saying. I'm convinced.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    My sister was holding my son when her mother in law's 75kg Bull Mastiff lunged at my son's face.
    Nice dog? Luchy it wasn't a Pit bull as all evidence would support that they don't give up that easy
    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    I don't blame the dog. I blame the people responsible for the dog.
    How very generous of you

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    Just as if my son does something wrong I'm responsible, in one way or another what I teach him
    and how I raise him will stay with him for the rest of life and shape him as an adult.
    Luckily he's unlikely to rip another child's face off. Dogs and kids are completely different things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    I'm extremely grateful that my sister kept her cool and protected my son by turning her body then
    shoving the dog out with the door.
    Lucky. If the dog was a Pitbull would it have given up so easy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    To me, my dog is my friend and companion. I love her and she loves me and my son. I would never
    hurt her and I trust her with my life and that of my son's.
    Congratyulations

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    It was also said that these dog's never had a good reputation? Well I dispute that
    Dispute that all you like. It remains true that Pitbulls have never been 'hero" dogs that their fans like to perpetuate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    and point you to the movie The Little Rascals. The children all shared a dog, an American Pit Bull Terrier.
    It was a movie FFS "Petey" was more than one dog.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    They are also named the Nanny dogs. From the research I've done and what I've seen, they're great with children.
    This is complete bullshit. "the Nanny Dog myth, is widely disseminated by pit bull advocates and pro-pit bull groups. According to the authors, the first mention of "nanny dog" with regards to any breed did not occur until 1904 when the first stage production of Peter Pan opened featuring a nursemaid dog that was never portrayed as a Staffordshire bull terrier.1

    The first known reference of a Stafford likened to a nursemaid dog appeared in a 1971 New York Times article. Lillian Rant, President and magazine editor of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier Club of America, states in the piece that the breed formerly had "an unsavory reputation for fighting and violence and his name became associated with ruffians." Rant adds, "The Stafford we know today quickly becomes a member of the family circle. He loves children and is often referred to as a nursemaid dog."

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    You are one seriously disturbed fool Clubsprint.

    You are rude and affrontive and continue to talk garbage . Yes , you have let us all know your opinions/views , many ,many times . You dont like the APBT .

    Do you actually have anything other than breed hate to add to the forum? Something...gee I dont know....constructive maybe? And to be truthful I do hope you find it too distasteful to even bother answering just a lowly APBT owner and advocate.
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    Actually I think brookenseth let themselves wide open for that when you look at some of those statements.

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    OK, I know everyone has their opinions about this topic and before I looked on the internet tonight, I actually had no idea what the BSL was, until I googled to see what Oskar might be. The ad on the net said he was an english staffie with longer legs, we went to view him, and he clearly wasn't a purebred english staffie, he is, after looking at a lot of photos on this and other sites, predominantly American staffy, which personally I don't care, as he is a bloody awesome pup.

    Anyway, little naive me has always assumed that a Pitbull is an actual breed, ferocious and always attacking, but then my opinion has been fueled usually by the press. I was shocked tonight whilst surfing the web to discover that PitBull is just a term to describe a number of breeds including my beloved little bloke Oskar...I don't like dogs like chihuahuas because to me they are more vicious than your medium to large dogs. Also I couldn't believe that the more placid Golden Retriever is banned in some states of the USA. Crazy!!! Anyway, I honestly do believe in that saying Judge the Deed, not the Breed. Unfortunately there are people out there who don't have the best intentions for wanting a dog. I totally have a new understanding about this topic...Let me know if I have misunderstood or gotten anything wrong please, I am happy to be educated on this topic further, and I understand peeps may have varying opinions, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter70 View Post
    Actually I think brookenseth let themselves wide open for that when you look at some of those statements.
    Yes perhaps Peter , with some of them.But there were ones that were replied to much like my 11 year old would . I must say that in particular the statement that it is "truth that Pitbulls havn't been hero dogs" really irked me .

    And OM good on you for going out there and educating yourself! Sadly not enough people do
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    Thanks ChoppaChop, I couldn't careless for a hero dog breed. Peeps can have their lassies and their Rin Tin Tin's etc. I just want a dog that is good to me and I trust around my kids. Any dog can be vicious, like I said, I have come across some vicious little chihuahuas in my life lol, my boyfriend's mum has one, and it still doesn't like me. Unfortunately it seems that pitbulls have a bad reputation, but I wanted one of these breeds, after asking many people and knowing friends who have staffies and also researching the breed and funnily enough time after time, they are recommended as being the perfect family dog. Any breed can turn.

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    @ Clubsprint:

    You asked why does BSL not work.

    Because it gives Mr and Mrs General Public a flawed message. It says that if we eradicate this particular breed (or breeds), then you will be safe. This is erroneous and downright dangerous. Mr and Mrs General Public then think to themselves; 'Oh, the dangerous dogs are now all gone. I don't need to we wary of/ practice good personal safety behaviors/ attend training etc as all the breeds left must be perfectly safe'.

    And because of this flaw, places with BSL actually open themselves up to continued, if not MORE dog bite/ homicide incidents.

    Take the PitBull out for a minute. Stop focussing on a breed. Your breed, my breed, other breeds are all represented in bite/ homicide incidents. Some dogs are more tenacious than others, yes.

    But- are we really giving it our best shot to protect humans and dogs with
    BSL? I am sure we can do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaz Tarja View Post
    hahaha that website is such a laugh! all of the outside references she uses never mention breed once! and the ones who do label other breeds other than APBT. and all her beautiful graphs and tables kind of mean nothing when it says "By compiling U.S. and Canadian press accounts between 1982 and 2010" (bolding mine)
    I'll assume you mean dogsbite.org as you don't actually mention it by name.
    all of the outside references she uses never mention breed once! You say. Well I have compiled 4 random stories from the Website and found outside links to each story done by googling the victims name and guess what, the "outside" stories mention the breeds as Pitbulls

    2011 Dog Bite Fatality: 21-Month Old Child Killed by Aunt's Pit Bulls in West Haven
    Family of baby killed by pit bulls had history of tragedies - Connecticut Post
    Nevaeh Angel Bryant died of multiple injuries at Yale-New Haven Hospital after she was attacked by three pit bulls Friday, according to the state medical examiner's office.

    Pregnant Pacifica Woman Killed by Family Pit Bull
    Darla Napora: Pregnant woman dies after being mauled by pet dog in living room | Mail Online
    Pregnant woman mauled to death by family pit bull was in campaign group arguing that the animals are safe. (I love this one, so ironic it should have been in the somg and the husband is going to bury the dog with his wife, only in America.)

    Infant Killed By Family Dog
    HOUSTON -- A 13-day-old infant was mauled to death by the family's pit bull.
    Infant Killed By Family Dog - Houston News Story - KPRC Houston
    HOUSTON -- A 13-day-old infant was mauled to death by the family's pit bull.
    The attack occurred on Cypress Bridge Drive and Cypress Timbers Drive Saturday.
    Investigators said the dog weighing 100 pounds attacked the baby in a baby swing, which was in the living room. They said an adult in another room heard a noise and ran into the room where the baby was.

    2011 Dog Bite Fatality: Philadelphia Woman Killed by Husband's Pit Bulls - DogsBite.org
    Woman was killed by dogs, autopsy finds - Philly.com
    The Medical Examiner's Office has ruled that a North Philadelphia woman found dead with her five pit bulls was killed by one or more of the dogs, police said Thursday.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaz Tarja View Post
    so she uses only the attacks that end up in the papers? the papers who like to make big issues about nothing at all?
    Well how would she know about the attacks if they weren't reported?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaz Tarja View Post
    its adorable that she is trying so hard to look professional but anyone who has ever written a proper report for university/college will know you always check and double check peoples refrences
    I think you need to take your own advice about checking references.
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