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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    The traits and appearance are virtually, if not, the same.. the only difference is the kennel they are bred from and what they are registered as.
    I'm going to agree with puggerup on this; the only dogs that have been bred from to make American Staffordshire terriers are American Pit Bull terriers. And not just prior to 1936, but also in 1976 (?) the breed books for the AmStaff were opened to the APBT.

    So the AmStaff is an APBT. All AmStaffs are APBTs (but not all APBTs could be considered to be AmStaffs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    I'm going to agree with puggerup on this; the only dogs that have been bred from to make American Staffordshire terriers are American Pit Bull terriers. And not just prior to 1936, but also in 1976 (?) the breed books for the AmStaff were opened to the APBT.

    So the AmStaff is an APBT. All AmStaffs are APBTs (but not all APBTs could be considered to be AmStaffs).

    ricey
    i agree and this point just shows once again how stupid BSL is, you can own an amstaff but not an APBT

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    Hmmm, are you sure you want one of these? Sure, they are cute and lovable little dogs, but they do have their problems.

    This is a breed that almost always has syringomyelia, and usually dies of heart failure due to mitral valve insufficiency. Only 1 in 8 cavaliers lives long enough to die of old age.

    Before buying a Cavalier King Charles spaniel (or any other dog breed for that matter), I'd recommend doing some research. For example, my own favourite breed (American Pit Bull terrier) has higher than usual rates of hip dysplasia, and the dilute colours have higher than usual rates of skin allergies.

    The Cavalier is acknowledged by its breeders to have very high rates of syringomyelia; this is a horrid and painful condition for the dog.

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    I am not trying to start a flame war here about the health problems of particular pure bred dog breeds; all breeds have their problems.

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    There are plenty of healthy cavs around. I persona;ly know a few Breedes.It is like saying there are only GSD's and goldenss with HD. Only newfies with Ortho problems. You just have to look for good responsible breeders. It is just like saying all Bully bred dogs are all aggressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    Hmmm, are you sure you want one of these? Sure, they are cute and lovable little dogs, but they do have their problems.

    This is a breed that almost always has syringomyelia, and usually dies of heart failure due to mitral valve insufficiency. Only 1 in 8 cavaliers lives long enough to die of old age.

    Before buying a Cavalier King Charles spaniel (or any other dog breed for that matter), I'd recommend doing some research. For example, my own favourite breed (American Pit Bull terrier) has higher than usual rates of hip dysplasia, and the dilute colours have higher than usual rates of skin allergies.

    The Cavalier is acknowledged by its breeders to have very high rates of syringomyelia; this is a horrid and painful condition for the dog.

    Cavalier King Charles Spaniel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cavalier King Charles Spaniel - Health & Genetic Diseases

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    Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Club - USA - Syringomyelia Information

    I am not trying to start a flame war here about the health problems of particular pure bred dog breeds; all breeds have their problems.

    ricey

    Most breeds have health risks associated with them. IMO its luck of the draw, and if I had a pet that became sick I would just deal with it and do what ever necessary to help it live a comfortable life. This won't be happening till after my dogs pass away, so I may change my mind by then anyways! lol

    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    I'm going to agree with puggerup on this; the only dogs that have been bred from to make American Staffordshire terriers are American Pit Bull terriers. And not just prior to 1936, but also in 1976 (?) the breed books for the AmStaff were opened to the APBT.

    So the AmStaff is an APBT. All AmStaffs are APBTs (but not all APBTs could be considered to be AmStaffs).

    ricey
    I am still going to disagree, while they are bred from the APBT, the breed traits are different. IMO they are similar to the APBT in appearance only and more like the "English" Staffy trait/personality wise.

    The American Staffordshire Terrier is a unique breed and has one of the richest and most well documented histories in the dog family. The American Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier is not the same breed and we feel it is time to clear up this misconception. The American Staffordshire Terrier did spring directly from the American Pit Bull Terrier roots, but since its acceptance and the breeding, the breed now stands alone. With the acceptance into the American Kennel Club in 1935 the breed has been breed along completely different lines than its predecessors, (the pit bull). The American Staffordshire Terrier has been bred as a pet, family dog, child's guardian, and show dog and obedience competition.
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    Re - Cavalier King Charles Spaniels - SM in Cavs is actually quite rare in Australia but still an issue. Like with any breed though, when researching breeders it is a case of making sure you have a breeder who health checks there dogs extensively for genetically predisposed conditions. Some of my closest friends are dog trainers, they lost a pup to SM last year, so when they purchased their new pup this year they made sure they chose a breeder who did the right health checks and also did MRI's of the parents to check for SM. They also have a 7yo Cav who does not have SM. It is all about research.

    Jadie - APBT's have a very similar temperament to Amstaffs and Staffords. But as you pointed out APBT and Amstaff's are different breeds, they have their own lines and are bred for different things and have been for a very long time, yes they opened up their studboooks in the 70's but only because they needed to, that was 40 years ago though and they won't do it again.
    It is like asking people who own Aussie Bulldogs why they didn't just buy a British Bulldog.....because they prefer the Aussie...end of story, it is a free country they are allowed to make that decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    I'm going to agree with puggerup on this; the only dogs that have been bred from to make American Staffordshire terriers are American Pit Bull terriers. And not just prior to 1936, but also in 1976 (?) the breed books for the AmStaff were opened to the APBT.

    So the AmStaff is an APBT. All AmStaffs are APBTs (but not all APBTs could be considered to be AmStaffs).

    ricey
    I totally agree with Ricey and Pugger on this one.

    Dogs being bred along standard for 40 years does not make a new breed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    I totally agree with Ricey and Pugger on this one.

    Dogs being bred along standard for 40 years does not make a new breed.
    So if that is the case, why do you own APBT's instead of Amstaffs?

    Genuine question, I am interested in the answer to this from someone who believes they are the same breed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Jadie - APBT's have a very similar temperament to Amstaffs and Staffords.
    Lol the only APBT's I have been around (in recent times) are quite reserved dogs! They like to sit and watch rather than go spastic like my two! So that's why I said the temperament is different! But I agree with you whole post KP!

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    I don't think she has either

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    I don't think she has either
    Ummmm - over the last few years Choppa has had at least 5 APBT's go through her house and currently has Tonka unless something has happened to him.....

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