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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Did anyone notice the time period - 1989 to 1994

    Ie the dog popular with people who want scary dogs has changed since then.

    I suspect the location of most dog bites hasn't changed ie private home or backyard.

    I can't see anything that relates bite severity or frequency to breed. Am I missing something.
    on what one?
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    The flinders uni one in your link "DOG BITES".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    The flinders uni one in your link "DOG BITES".
    it is based on bite stats from a lot of cases all over Aus while yes it may be outdated the information is still there, the stats are taken directly off admission/triage reports giving percentage of injuries sustained and the severity of injury by dog bites in relation to other causes also points to what people were doing when bitten, tripped etc. BLS isn't just based on information gleaned from the last 10 years so forgive me if I am wrong but IMO I find that report to be just as interesting as the ones you have posted even though the data is somewhat dated I actually wouldn't think that we as a society have moved so far away from where we were then in relation to interactions and daily dealings with dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    Cavaliers are the best family pets
    Look out CS.......This should start a new breed specific war here.....


    I know one that's a little short in the braincell department and must be the slowest, dumbest animal I ever met....

    He is papered with ancestry back to Noah's Ark or something............(Yeah yeah, I know they only became a true breed post WW2.....)

    He's a lovely cuddly wuppy woo and all that fluffy kinda doggy woggy stuff........

    But honestly......Will sit there looking at the sky with his goofy eyes while a thousand of cats, rats and mice could walk past laughing at him







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    BSL isn't based on any scientific or statistical data.

    It's based on hysterical outrage about media reports of dog attacks.

    Iain Hollingshead: Whatever happened to dangerous dogs? | World news | The Guardian

    Why BSL Doesn’t Work|Victoria Stilwell Positively

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226131681378
    RSPCA Victorian chief executive Maria Mercurio says the policy has changed since 2009 as there is a lack of research showing pit bulls or any other breed is more prone to attack.

    "The statistics just aren't there," she says. "Most breeds of dogs can be aggressive and be violent if they are trained and kept that way. We have matured, and our opinion and our policy has evolved."
    So there is no data to back up the idea that banning pitbulls will make anyone safer and yet that's what the Victorian politicians are doing because it will make the hysterical emotional public happy. Happy but not safer.
    Last edited by Hyacinth; 09-25-2011 at 03:12 PM.

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    OMG, 12 pages and its still going on!

    The original questions were for clubsprint, and were based on the statistical evidence that pit bulls were only responsible for a small number of dog bite deaths in australia.

    CS cited this article published in the Calgary Sun as evidence that pit bulls were a problem there

    Biting criticism of dog owners | Columnists | Opinion | Calgary Sun

    Howabout we review the stats?

    Total Calgary dog bites in 2010- 158 (includes 56 bites which did not puncture the skin)
    Dog bites which punctured the skin- 102

    TEETHING - Bited by breed group, 2010

    1. Terriers (pitbulls account for half of total terrier bites) - 26 bites

    2. Working dogs (includes Rottweilers and mastiffs) - 22 bites

    3. Herding dogs (includes shepherds) - 17 bites

    4. Sporting dogs (includes retrievers) - 16 bites

    5. Non-sporting - 14 bites

    6. Toys - 5 bites

    7. Hounds - 2 bites
    As pit bulls were responsible for half ot the total number of teething bites by terriers, this means that 13 of the 102 teething bites were by pit bulls.

    That is 13% of the teething bites.

    This is far smaller than than the working dogs or the herding dogs.

    But realistically, to put this all into perspective, Calgary is a city of 1,350,000 people. It has a population that is significantly larger than that of Adelaide, South Australia (to put this in an Australian context). If Adelaide managed to get its annual teething dog bites down anywhere near Calgary's 102, I think we would all think that Adelaide's problem was solved.

    I'm a bit annoyed with myself that I spent all this time typing this response; I can't see that there is much chance of CS changing his/her mind about pit bulls, so I think we should all stop wasting our time. Our time would be better spent actually doing concrete things that will benefit the targeted breeds in Australia.

    Calgary remains a shining example of workable legislation and policy regarding dogs and dog bite reduction, and we should all make the effort to lobby our politicians, local councils etc to try to get similar legislation and policy in Australia. BSL is a failed policy.

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    Nice analysis, ricey. I would also guess that Calgary might have a slightly higher percentage of APBTs than other cities, because of the lack of BSL. But that is a mere assumption. Popularity of the breed does matter too though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    I have seen some very aggressive and some un-trained naughty British Bulldogs.
    Cavaliers are the best family pets
    My next pup will be a Cav! Lol hopefully not for a few good years yet though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    yes but how reliable is the data that makes up those statistics in the first place?

    Are the 2 dogs pedigree pitbulls? How do we know they're not lab x boxers? Did they do DNA tests on them to match against known examples of the breed? What other breeds are in the list - and how reliable was their breed id?

    Ayen was not killed by a pitbull but some cross breed. My dog is a cross breed, but she won't even kill a mouse. So why are we having hysterics about the breed?

    These are the best Australian dog bite stats I have access to - and they leave a lot of relevant information out.

    Dog Attack Reporting - Department of Local Government
    april june 2011 report summary
    150 attacks on people in NSW requiring medical treatment or a funeral. there's no separate list for the funerals.
    1,348 total reported attacks
    1,410,386 registered dogs - though it's not recorded how many of the dog attacks were by registered vs unregistered dogs.

    http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghom...%202010-11.pdf

    These stats don't tell you how many attacks required medical attention for humans.
    205 dogs involved in some of the 1348 attacks were PTS.
    it's not stated whether these dogs that were PTS attacked people or livestock.

    35 attacks required police action
    5 required court action

    141 dangerous dog declarations (out of 1.5 million registered dogs)
    0 restricted dog declarations ie no pitbulls.

    By breed they don't separate out what kind of attack it was.
    The biggest attacker was "breed not identified" at 366
    the next biggest attacker was SBT also the most popular breed at 173
    then ACD, GSD, Amstaff, SBTx, Rotti, Sibe, Kelpie, Labrador.

    Pitbulls are not in the list at all.

    Most of the biters in the 10 ten are also in the top ten most popular registered breed of dog.
    Hyacynth
    These stats were originally quoted in support of pits now you're discrediting them?? Re the top ten biters. Amstaffs are Pitbulls. To say otherwise is fallacy. It's like saying the is a difference between Alsatians and German Shepards or Heelers and Australian Cattle Dogs. Misidentification has long been the ally of the pro/pitbull fraternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chipps View Post
    Look out CS.......This should start a new breed specific war here.....


    I know one that's a little short in the braincell department and must be the slowest, dumbest animal I ever met....

    He is papered with ancestry back to Noah's Ark or something............(Yeah yeah, I know they only became a true breed post WW2.....)

    He's a lovely cuddly wuppy woo and all that fluffy kinda doggy woggy stuff........

    But honestly......Will sit there looking at the sky with his goofy eyes while a thousand of cats, rats and mice could walk past laughing at him







    Should I post this?.....

    Oh yeh they are pretty daft

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