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    There is a big difference between biting and mauling though. A dog who is backed into a corner and bites out of fear, will usually bite once to get himself out of that situation, I would have thought?

    What does make a dog bite repeatedly to the point they can kill a child (or other dog)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    Agree Jadie .

    In a perfect black and white world then yes,I am very much for punishing owners of dogs who injure the public. Problem is , its not a perfect black and white world.

    Lets say , just for an example ; An owner that has taken every possible precaution to ensure their dog is well raised,well trained and well contained , goes to work one day .Whilst at work for whatever reason,kids or a storm say , somehow manage to allow your dog to escape its yard.
    Now dog is at large and in all likelyhood is dealing with heightened anxiety levels and fear. Even the most well trained dog,that usually loves people will exhibit change when confronted with the big wide world. So then lets say someone ,probably a kid, decides they will try to catch your dog,or at least pat it.In doing so they increase the dogs uncertainity and fear levels , maybe backing it into a situation where it cannot flee from , therefor dog will attack instead,purely out of 'fear'.

    No amount of training will prepare a dog for that.
    So would you then be happy to do jail time because of it ?

    ( hope that made sense,havn't slept in like days and brain is rather mushy )
    Lol made sense to me! That is what I was going to say, but not as well worded! Completely agree though!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    There is a big difference between biting and mauling though. A dog who is backed into a corner and bites out of fear, will usually bite once to get himself out of that situation, I would have thought?

    What does make a dog bite repeatedly to the point they can kill a child (or other dog)?
    I would think either the dog has been trained for that... or is very fearful?! The same as someone is so easily able to kill another person to defend themselves!

    We never know what the child has done to the dog, the way the dog has been raised, if its ever had children around and the owners have just "sprung" one (a kid that is) onto it and expected everything to be okay.

    With dogs as well, the dog could be dog aggressive, could have felt intimidated of the other one, there could have been a pack of dogs roaming and find a dog alone, jealousy, they are trained for it... lol there are to many reasons why I thinks!

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    Lol made sense to me! That is what I was going to say, but not as well worded! Completely agree though!!



    I would think either the dog has been trained for that... or is very fearful?! The same as someone is so easily able to kill another person to defend themselves!

    We never know what the child has done to the dog, the way the dog has been raised, if its ever had children around and the owners have just "sprung" one (a kid that is) onto it and expected everything to be okay.

    With dogs as well, the dog could be dog aggressive, could have felt intimidated of the other one, there could have been a pack of dogs roaming and find a dog alone, jealousy, they are trained for it... lol there are to many reasons why I thinks!
    But that means it all comes down to training and socialisation again. And so it's down to the owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    But that means it all comes down to training and socialisation again. And so it's down to the owner.
    Not entirely. As Choppa said there are some situations that even people who have done everything right could be faced with. In my opinion this law is stupid, however our justice system is pretty pathetic too so even if they do bring it in I would be shocked to see someone actually sentenced to jail anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    Not entirely. As Choppa said there are some situations that even people who have done everything right could be faced with. In my opinion this law is stupid, however our justice system is pretty pathetic too so even if they do bring it in I would be shocked to see someone actually sentenced to jail anyway.
    Sure there are situations that can explain why your dog got out that are not your fault. But the reasons you list of why a dog might maul someone instead of just administer a single bite to get out of trouble are all down to the dog not being socialised enough.

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    Lets just remember guys that the sentencing is at the judges discretion and 10 years is the MAXIMUM.

    It is unlikely a judge will give a first time offended, that can prove they have done everything in their power to train/socialise and contain there dog properly anything more than a suspended sentence and maybe a fine.

    Where as if a judge is faced with a repeat offended, someone who specifically trains a dog to be vicious or someone who negligently put in no effort to train or contain there dog, then yes the judge can and might be harsher on them.

    It is the same with drug offenders, a first time offender will get off easily with little to no punishment, people who repeat offend will get harsher and harsher sentences for each offense.

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    yeah they are the ones I could think of that didn't require to much typing! lol

    Here's some examples from my perspective... 1... One day I was walking to school and a cattle dog came out of it's yard and bit me on the leg. Now that is the fault of the owner, the gate was open and the dog was feral.

    2... My step father had a dog, rotty cross GSD. I am not sure if he was eating or sleeping at the time but my sister shoved her face into his and annoyed the shit out of him so he bit her... In my opinion that was her fault as she knew not to do that (she was a bit of a wild child who's nickname was feral lol). This dog was very well trained and cared for but was put into a situation he wasn't comfortable, so did what a dog does when it feels threatened. He wasn't put down and I see no reason as to why my SF should have been jailed for this incident.

    I know these aren't in the same league as a dog mauling a child to death, but hopefully you can see where I am coming from when I say that every situation is different.

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    My questions revolve entirely around what makes the difference between a dog that bites in some circumstance and a dog that could potentally maul a child to death. And if you can predict if a dog is prone to such extreme behaviour.

    If your second example ended with "the dog mauled my sister to death" it would be a completely different story.

    A nip is a nip. Can happen to the best of dogs. But what motivates a dog to not stop after the first bite and after the danger is gone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    My questions revolve entirely around what makes the difference between a dog that bites in some circumstance and a dog that could potentally maul a child to death. And if you can predict if a dog is prone to such extreme behaviour.

    If your second example ended with "the dog mauled my sister to death" it would be a completely different story.

    A nip is a nip. Can happen to the best of dogs. But what motivates a dog to not stop after the first bite and after the danger is gone?
    Unless you can find someone who talks to dogs on an extremely good level or a dog that speaks English, I doubt you will ever truly answer this in full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Lets just remember guys that the sentencing is at the judges discretion and 10 years is the MAXIMUM.

    It is unlikely a judge will give a first time offended, that can prove they have done everything in their power to train/socialise and contain there dog properly anything more than a suspended sentence and maybe a fine.

    Where as if a judge is faced with a repeat offended, someone who specifically trains a dog to be vicious or someone who negligently put in no effort to train or contain there dog, then yes the judge can and might be harsher on them.

    It is the same with drug offenders, a first time offender will get off easily with little to no punishment, people who repeat offend will get harsher and harsher sentences for each offense.
    That is what will happen K&P, anyone who is worried,just start keeping records of training, socialization ect. and keep proof of any dog events, social or training oriented that you and your dog attend, even write in visits to offlead parks, it is a good idea to have a special book for each dog, starting from puppy school on through, get any trainers or even other people to write in their comments on your dog.

    In the event of any incident you then have ready an entire history of your dogs behavior , if it is all positive and shows a record of good behavior by the dog and diligence on your part, it would be taken into consideration, the laws are to stop the wankers who just do not give a rats, not punish those who try to do everything right.

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