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    theres currently 260 or so APBT registered in vic, I don't think that number is any way accurate as mine was moved out of state and is now deceased. i am certain we are not unique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    I'm sorry, I do get where you are coming from and I adore my dog and would do anything for her, but I do put a human life above a dog's life.
    Hmmm... I'd do anything for my dog because I know she'd do anything for me but I wouldn't put her life above my son's. But I don't think politicians have the right to sit behind a desk and declare that an entire breed needs to be exterminated for the good of mankind, that's what I mean. I didn't word it properly. Basically, no human has the right to say that all Pit Bulls should be put to death because of a couple of bad dogs. Those dogs are someone's best friend and family members. They're lives are valuable as well, just because they're lower on the food chain doesn't mean they're worthless.

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    Personally id like to see stats on human fatalities caused by dogs, compared to dog fatalities caused by humans. as in the violent type.

    I get where you are coming from, the more and more I exist the less and less i see compassion toward animals and the more and more I see bigotry redirected onto the pure innocent via anthromorphism..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Personally id like to see stats on human fatalities caused by dogs, compared to dog fatalities caused by humans. as in the violent type.

    I get where you are coming from, the more and more I exist the less and less i see compassion toward animals and the more and more I see bigotry redirected onto the pure innocent via anthromorphism..
    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    I was NOT blaming the little girl OR her family but there are so many versions of how it happened. It could all have been avoided had the owner been a responsible one. What gives you or anyone else the right to say human life is more valuable than the lives of our best friends? The animals who have always been there for us when we need them.
    I don't believe I was 'ranting' either. I have a young son, and if he was attacked let alone killed by someone else's dog I'd be furious. But not at the dog. Dogs do what we tell them to do, they live to please us. And what do we do in return? Kill them for being a certain breed.
    Read back through your post.

    I love my dogs I have two, they are my children. I will never have children because I don't like them, my dogs are the closest I will ever get.
    One of my dogs is a Pitbull, so love you are preaching to the choir, I do not believe wiping out a breed of dog (my breed) is going to stop these things from happening.

    I also never said human life was more important what I said was dogs that attack and certainly dogs that kill people should be PTS, and I stated my reasons for believing that. I also said I believe in the death penalty for humans because there are some seriously effed up individuals out there who should never be allowed back into society and who should be PTS for what they do to other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Read back through your post.

    I love my dogs I have two, they are my children. I will never have children because I don't like them, my dogs are the closest I will ever get.
    One of my dogs is a Pitbull, so love you are preaching to the choir, I do not believe wiping out a breed of dog (my breed) is going to stop these things from happening.

    I also never said human life was more important what I said was dogs that attack and certainly dogs that kill people should be PTS, and I stated my reasons for believing that. I also said I believe in the death penalty for humans because there are some seriously effed up individuals out there who should never be allowed back into society and who should be PTS for what they do to other people.
    First, lol at the bold comment
    I did read back through my post and I stand by what I said. Murderers are given a second chance, I think some dogs can be helped. I'm not saying that the dog that mauled the little girl should not have been put to sleep but the reasons behind the attack should be further researched instead of simply declaring the dog to be unfit for society. I know that will never happen in our world but that's my belief, everybody has their own opinion. I just believe in second chances in some circumstances. The dog could not have understood the repercussions of it's actions and I don't know how the dog was trained or raised or what kind of situation it was in to attack. I just know there would have been a reason behind it. I really do feel for the girls family, my son is my entire world and I don't know how I'd cope without him. But I know that if myself or my son was attacked by any dog, I wouldn't blame the dog. I'd blame the person behind the dog or the situation the dog was in. Dogs act on instinct, they live in the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brookenseth View Post
    First, lol at the bold comment
    I did read back through my post and I stand by what I said. Murderers are given a second chance, I think some dogs can be helped. I'm not saying that the dog that mauled the little girl should not have been put to sleep but the reasons behind the attack should be further researched instead of simply declaring the dog to be unfit for society. I know that will never happen in our world but that's my belief, everybody has their own opinion. I just believe in second chances in some circumstances. The dog could not have understood the repercussions of it's actions and I don't know how the dog was trained or raised or what kind of situation it was in to attack. I just know there would have been a reason behind it. I really do feel for the girls family, my son is my entire world and I don't know how I'd cope without him. But I know that if myself or my son was attacked by any dog, I wouldn't blame the dog. I'd blame the person behind the dog or the situation the dog was in. Dogs act on instinct, they live in the moment.
    I spoke the truth, they annoy the bejeebus out of me, I am not a very patient person/not the motherly type lol.

    As I said preaching to the choir. Read back through a lot of my posts in this and other threads. I agree whole heartedly.

    I believe that dog bites occur due to irresponsible ownership in most cases which includes not properly confining a dog and lack of proper training and socialisation for the dog as well as often times lack of human interaction and exercise for the dog. I also believe dogs involved in attacks need to have necropys done on them to ascertain if there were any medical issues with the dog and the dogs history/living situations should be thoroughly looked into, so we can really get down to WHY the dog attacked. I believe we should have jail sentences for people whose dogs cause seriously harm or death to a person (pending an investigation into the owner, obviously sometimes accidents happen, mistakes are made)

    Second chances is just too hard, as I said earlier NO ONE is going to be willing to take on a dog which has that level of aggression, a dog who is a serious liability, because you are responsible and liable if that dog attacks again. Proper rehabilitation for a dog like that is almost impossible because the training required would involve a lot of risk for people involved. It is just not plausible to try and rehabilitate a dog that maims or kills a human. Better to save the time and space for good, well behaved, friendly dogs who are sitting in shelters waiting to die. They are the dogs that really need our help.

    I will point one thing out the GR that was involved in a bad attack against his owner earlier this year in Sydney was taken on by Steve from K9 Pro for rehabilitation, so not all dogs are written off.

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    Did I say this already?

    You can't judge all dogs based on their appearance alone any more than you can judge humans by appearance alone.

    The most dangerous thing about a pitbull is the owner. If the owner does the right thing the dog will be fine.

    Dogs bred to fight other dogs - are supposed to be human friendly.

    Guard dogs - are supposed to be friendly towards their family and only guard their property. Mistakes can happen if they decide next door belongs to them also.

    Rottweilers away from their own property tend to be big friendly sooks. There is one exception at my dog club. Quite a few of us are scared of it - because the owner has never taught it bite inhibition or appropriate social behaviour with other dogs, so it does attack other dogs and he keeps letting it off the lead or approach other dogs giving it opportunity. So far no serious damage. Last time it jumped on my dog it had a muzzle on so the damage was only from stomping all over her.

    Owner is very slowly getting the message that we don't want him in our class unless he keeps his dog away from ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Personally id like to see stats on human fatalities caused by dogs, compared to dog fatalities caused by humans. as in the violent type.

    I get where you are coming from, the more and more I exist the less and less i see compassion toward animals and the more and more I see bigotry redirected onto the pure innocent via anthromorphism..
    Can I say huh again? A few people have liked your post, perhaps one of them can explain the comment 'cause it confuses me. I have no clue what is being said to be frank.
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    Can I say huh again? A few people have liked your post, perhaps one of them can explain the comment 'cause it confuses me. I have no clue what is being said to be frank.
    Anthropomorphism is any attribution of human characteristics (or characteristics assumed to belong only to humans) to non-human animals, non-living things, phenomena, material states, objects or abstract concepts, such as spirits or deities.

    Ie: we are blaming and persecuting the dogs and treating them like they have human characteristics and personalities instead of looking at the real problem us.

    Ie all the people who say Pitbulls are "evil" are you serious, no dog of any breed is "evil" that is dumb. People can be evil though.

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