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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    I understand why people would be concerned about their dog being mistaken as a restricted breed but the standard even includes a this clause
    A a pedigree certificate from the Australian National Kennel Council;
    B a pedigree certificate from a member body of the Australian National Kennel Council;
    C a pedigree certificate from a national breed council registered with the Australian National Kennel Council;
    D a certificate signed by a veterinary practitioner stating, or to the effect, that the dog is of a particular breed.

    You should contact the council and provide the evidence to them of your dog's breed. Without one of these forms of certification your dog will be declared as a restricted breed dog if it fits the Standard for Restricted Breed Dogs in Victoria.
    My reading of that clause is that it only applies to the American Staffordshire Terrier- not other breeds/ cross breeds.

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    My point was that guns are designed to kill people yet you can own one. They are not banned. But you would ban a whole breed of dogs because of the perceived danger they pose. I say 'perceived'because the figures I've seen so far seem to suggest that APBTs are under-represented in the dog bite stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Villain & Flirtt View Post
    My reading of that clause is that it only applies to the American Staffordshire Terrier- not other breeds/ cross breeds.
    I think you're wrong V&F. Without actually going back and quoting it, my memory says that the new law states "any dog that meets this standard is an american pitbull terrier, unless it is an american staffordshire terrier and backed up by the following :"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    I think you're wrong V&F. Without actually going back and quoting it, my memory says that the new law states "any dog that meets this standard is an american pitbull terrier, unless it is an american staffordshire terrier and backed up by the following :"
    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    That is a ridiculous document to use for identification purposes indeed.

    But I did find this quite interesting:
    "A dog that meets the description of a dog in this Part is an American Pit Bull Terrier; except a dog in respect of which the owner has one of the following certificates stating that the dog is an American Staffordshire Terrier –
    a. a pedigree certificate from the Australian National Kennel Council;
    b. a pedigree certificate from a member body of the Australian National Kennel Council;
    c. a pedigree certificate from a national breed council registered with the Australian National Kennel Council;
    d. a certificate signed by a veterinary practitioner stating, or to the effect, that the dog is of a particular breed."
    I read this to say 'if a dog matches the descriptors in this part, it is an APBT unless it is an American Staffordshire Terrier which can be proven by the following'.

    Now, the final point makes it extremely ambiguous... But I read it as pertaining only to AMST...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    Rubbish. Many dogs wouldn't. If, if if if . How real is this scenario?


    Aggressive/dangerous dogs are subject to different laws. Would your Newfoundlands turn aggressive?




    Yes there will be collateral damage.
    Thousands of strays are PTS every day and I'm sure some of them are lovely dogs. Are you going to stop euthanizing all strays?
    As to Newfoundland dogs ......Yes they will if they are kept in the wrong environment. I spent nearly a year rehabilitating one who was confined in such an environment. She was both people and dog aggressive. And she is not now.......

    And the dogs that are possibly being put to sleep would not be strays, they are loved dogs who belong to people who want them and love them. Not sure how you can compare that to dogs that have been abandoned or surrendered.
    But I think whatever anyone here will bring up, you will have a counter point. And after all everyone has a right to their opinion. Just remember one day it might be your chosen Breed or any dog. Start with one and just go from there. Set a precedent and follow through. There will be no where to take your dogs. All the non dog-lovers will love these new laws Maybe one day We will all have to keep our dogs in our backyards.
    Last edited by newfsie; 09-14-2011 at 09:16 PM.
    Pets are forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    From this website
    Things You Should Know About Restricted Breed Dogs - Department of Primary Industries

    Well we should obey any laws the are deemed to cause onerouis espense huh? Is that what you're saying?


    If this is the case they could have got "a certificate signed by a veterinary practitioner stating, or to the effect, that the dog is of a particular breed."


    You'd do everything you could and spend anything you had to to keep Keira and Phoenix. No amount would be too much. Last Christmas I spent almost 3k$ on my kelpie X as he was sick.
    Making the fencing secure or making a dog run was obviously financially out of reach. Easier for them to put Buck down. His not so loving family nearby.
    Obviously not loving enough to do what they had to do. But it's all the Big Bad govts. fault. These are the sort of people that this legislation is designed for. People who are not responsible enough to own any dog. I feel sorry for thier kids.
    Some people CAN NOT AFFORD to do what I would do to save my dog. Money does not grow on trees, this family could be struggling, how do you expect a struggling family to come up with probably at least a thousand dollars in 3 weeks.....they had no one to help them no one to lend them the money.
    Stop judging them. Start judging the idiots who have dumped dogs on the streets or in the pounds.

    What other laws cause us onerous expense?

    I have said it before and I will say it again, that same clause about Having a letter from a vet is in the QLD legislation, a good friend of mine had a letter from a vet stating that her dog was an Amstaff and the GCCC still declared the dog a Pitbull. Actually I am pretty sure someone has contacted the Vic Govt about the whole vet letter thing and been told that even with a vet letter the rangers can declare a dog a Pitbull and then the owners have to go to VCAT. I will try and find it...
    On top of that you have to find a vet who will sign off on a letter saying the dog is Amstaff.
    Last edited by Keira & Phoenix; 09-15-2011 at 08:18 AM.

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    I know for sure if it happened to me there would be no way that we could do this in a short time frame.
    So I know what it is like to struggle as this is what our lives are about at this moment.
    We have to find money to go and seet this doctor and where that is gunna come from is as good as guess as yours.
    So to throw this on people and then throw them to the wolves is a little to harsh.
    I know that there would be any way that we could borrow the money to make an enclosure. The banks or lending institusuins would laugh us out of their shop.

    It is time for people to show compassion. As we all wern't born with a silver spoon in our mouths.
    Now here comes all these people to say I got what I have got through hard work.
    Well so have I and then my back stuffed up and no one wanted to know us.
    So does this make me a bad person?
    Thats up to you to decide, but just know not everyone can do what is requirer of them all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    i can't be bothered responding to all your nonsense in other posts,
    What are you talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    You're an idiot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    Plenty of people own dogs who live in units/flats etc
    Dogs the size of Pitbulls and larger? Garbage. Maybe in bizzaro world. Would you advise someone in a flat that a Pitbull would make an appropriate pet? I've had to deal with the fallout of stupid people that thought large dogs would be a good pet for flat/unit dwellers. I'm not saying it cant be done but who would do this? Are you making a joke?

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    Well actually I think that you could quite easily get away with having a Bullmastiff in a small place as these require little in the way of exercise.
    So I would say have a rethink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    Dogs the size of Pitbulls and larger? Garbage. Maybe in bizzaro world. Would you advise someone in a flat that a Pitbull would make an appropriate pet? I've had to deal with the fallout of stupid people that thought large dogs would be a good pet for flat/unit dwellers. I'm not saying it cant be done but who would do this? Are you making a joke?
    Heaps of dogs of all sizes are kept in apartments in other countries, like big cities in the US and Europe. My dog is an inside dog. I don't know how her living inside my house would be that different to her living in an apartment? If anything, I might walk her 3 times a day instead of 2. Lots of dogs living in apartments are better off than those who are left in the backyard and never get any attention.

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