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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Clubsprint: What do you believe BSL will achieve in this country?

    Why will it work here when it has failed and been repealed in other countries?

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    How much evidence showing that BSL doesn't work will it take before you realise that any dog can & will bite?
    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    And where will your dog be if it takes three month for this appeal to be processed......THE POUND.......And if your dog was not aggressive before it went there, it will be when it comes out.
    Rubbish. Many dogs wouldn't. If, if if if . How real is this scenario?


    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    But it won't be able to come out, because then it will be an aggressive dog.
    Aggressive/dangerous dogs are subject to different laws. Would your Newfoundlands turn aggressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    I went to a Seminar with dog Trainers and we have all discussed how this will affect so many lovely dogs, it is just sad.
    Yes there will be collateral damage.
    Thousands of strays are PTS every day and I'm sure some of them are lovely dogs. Are you going to stop euthanizing all strays?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reyzor View Post
    even a pound bitza that looks like a APBT can and will be destroyed, as there are no pedigree papers and no way to prove otherwise..... it should be up to the council to prove the dog is dangerous instead of wiping out the entire breed...... hitler tried it years ago and the world called it genocide......how is this any different?
    FFS
    Its dogs, not people.
    I find your post extremely distasteful

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    I'm hoping it will see and end to those problems that the KCC tried to head off in the Early Eighties. ie The lack of existence in Australia of APBT and it looks to pick up a few others. There are a few things that need to be kept out of the hands of the masses. APBTs is one,Auomatoic Weapons is another. We do not live in a free society as some think (must be the pervasiveness of American Media) and we have a number of laws that we all must abide.

    Is this a statement or question? We'll have to wait and see.
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    I already realise that any dog can & will bite, I'm glad that the Govt. is taking some of the landsharks out of this society and making them a lot harder to own. Another big change that I'm in suuort of is making owners lots more responsible.
    So you believe that people should not be allowed to choose which breed they own?

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    Why will it work here when it has failed and been repealed in other countries? Is a question for you. BSL does NOT reduce the number of bites that occur.

    I think you are maliciously trying to tarnish the name of a great breed of dog. I think you have a personal vendetta that is stopping you from realising that banning one breed opens up a can of worms the likes of which none of us have ever considered.

    Landsharks huh? What a joke. We should be banning cars by your logic, they kill more people than automatic weapons (already illegal anyway so I don't know what that has to do with anything) and dogs of all breeds combined in our country. Oh and did you know that there were more children murdered than killed or injured by dogs of any breed in the last 10 years? How about we stop people from having children?

    Yes we have laws to obey. This one does NOT improve public safety in any way, shape or form. This method of banning breeds has FAILED epicly in many other countries, so why are we flogging a dead horse so to speak?

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    There are a few things that need to be kept out of the hands of the masses. APBTs is one,Auomatoic Weapons is another. We do not live in a free society as some think (must be the pervasiveness of American Media) and we have a number of laws that we all must abide.
    You have used this argument plenty of times before and I have responded a few times in the same way and got no reply: so why can you get a gun licence in this country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    FFS
    Its dogs, not people.
    I find your post extremely distasteful
    We find your attitude and ignorance distasteful.

    It is a form of genocide. Our government is wiping out an entire breed from a species. I say that is part of a national group.

    Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group",

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    For clubsprint because apparently they are too lazy to look it up for themselves...

    In 2006, Calgary, Alberta, enacted a breed-neutral Responsible Pet Ownership Bylaw built on four simple yet important principles: license and provide permanent identification for pets; spay or neuter pets; provide training, socialization, proper diet and medical care for pets; do not allow pets to become a threat or nuisance.xi By educating its citizens to these principles, facilitating their compliance with them, and backing that up with rigorous enforcement when necessary, Calgary Animal Services has achieved a combined record of compassion for animals and safety for human citizens without equal anywhere in the world. In 2009, 86% of the dogs handled by Animal Services were returned to their owners. Fewer than 5% were euthanized.
    Further, in 2009, this city of over 1 million people had reports of only 159 dog bites, of which 101 did not even break the skin. No community in Europe or North American can boast such a record of safety around dogs.
    Excerpt from: http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil...20of%20BSL.pdf

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    [QUOTE=Keira & Phoenix;138969]From this website
    Things You Should Know About Restricted Breed Dogs - Department of Primary Industries

    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    This is a lot to comply with if you don't already have 1.8 metre fencing. That would require redoing an entire fence line, or building a secure run. Both very costly things to do. Not to mention if the council ACO decided you needed to put down concrete to stop the dog from digging under fences, if they decided you need to have an overhang, if you didn't already have a patio area....the list goes on.
    Well we should obey any laws the are deemed to cause onerouis espense huh? Is that what you're saying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    How do you know this dog wasn't a pound bitza? They could have picked the dog up from the RSPCA, AWL or one of many rescues when it was a pup and not realised what the dog was...or were told it was a different breed.
    If this is the case they could have got "a certificate signed by a veterinary practitioner stating, or to the effect, that the dog is of a particular breed."

    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    I own A dog who could be classified under these laws.
    You'd do everything you could and spend anything you had to to keep Keira and Phoenix. No amount would be too much. Last Christmas I spent almost 3k$ on my kelpie X as he was sick.
    Making the fencing secure or making a dog run was obviously financially out of reach. Easier for them to put Buck down. His not so loving family nearby.
    Obviously not loving enough to do what they had to do. But it's all the Big Bad govts. fault. These are the sort of people that this legislation is designed for. People who are not responsible enough to own any dog. I feel sorry for thier kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    What 10sqM? Thats 2.5m x 2.5m. If you get a dog bigger than a cat and you back yard is smaller than that then you have a lot more problems than lack of space. The laws cover an inside as well as outside dwelling dogs. RTFWP.I've re-holmed a Shar Pei and a Doberman that were owned by idiots who lived in flats/units. The Shar Pei shredded the owners flat. I had no sympathy for them.
    i can't be bothered responding to all your nonsense in other posts, so i'll make this my reply. You're an idiot! Plenty of people own dogs who live in units/flats etc and spend the time necessary to exercise their dog so it is happy to spend the day inside or with a very small yard. Nah i can't be bothered going on, you're an idiot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    You have used this argument plenty of times before and I have responded a few times in the same way and got no reply: so why can you get a gun licence in this country?
    Sorry I've mssed your previous posts, not intended to ignore.What I'm getting at is that post Port Aurthur Automatic Guns were outlawed. Yes yo have to have a license but you still can't own an Automatic or Semi Automatic gun. It's an example of something that has been legislated out of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    Sorry I've mssed your previous posts, not intended to ignore.What I'm getting at is that post Port Aurthur Automatic Guns were outlawed. Yes yo have to have a license but you still can't own an Automatic or Semi Automatic gun. It's an example of something that has been legislated out of society.
    Looking at the number of shooting happening around the country lately, I think it is safe to say the knee-jerk reaction to ban all guns unless you hold a licence has failed as well.

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