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    even a pound bitza that looks like a APBT can and will be destroyed, as there are no pedigree papers and no way to prove otherwise..... it should be up to the council to prove the dog is dangerous instead of wiping out the entire breed...... hitler tried it years ago and the world called it genocide......how is this any different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reyzor View Post
    breed is a personal choice, why should everyone have to comply with the breeds you mentioned....... not saying that they are bad, but im sure the owners of APBT's would have reasons why they chose the breed.

    im pretty sure the law states that if you have a DD then you must have it enclosed, it doesnt say that it can roam the yard. although as with all laws, its how you interpret it.

    your narrow minded responses are becomign tiresome, i like reading your posts cos it gives me and the rest of the forum a chance to prove you wrong over and over again, somthing i never tire of....
    Sorry Reyzor, just want to get the facts straight. A dangerous dog must indeed be in a fully enclosed enclosure - which seems to be interpreted as being a run. But a restricted breed dog can be in the backyard provided that it passes the requirements for being escape-proof, as per my quote above.

    I do also wonder if the family we are talking about now did not know about the BSL before and why they did not know? I would like to hear the full story too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    The decision to PTS Buck was down to his owners. Rather than do what was required to modify the backyard they chose to PTS Buck.
    Save your anger for his owners.
    The little boy lost his friend because his parents choose that route rather than conform to the law.
    Not everyone has a yard big enough to conform to these regulations. Ever think about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    Bucks owners didn't have to build a 10msqm run according to the law. They just had to make sure the dog couldn't escape. 10msq is defined as the minimum size for the welfare of the dog. That's not very big at all. They could have fortified their backyard but no, it's easier and cheaper to have the dog put down and blame the govt.

    You own dogs that may attract similar classification if the rest of Australia adopts similar laws.

    What would you do?

    Please provide a reference to where "The Vic Govt have called it a "Search and Destroy mission".
    Of course if they had got their son Fox Terrier, Labrador, pound rescue bitsa or even a Heeler or Staffy they would have not been faced with this choice.

    From this website
    Things You Should Know About Restricted Breed Dogs - Department of Primary Industries

    Housing on premises

    When indoors or outdoors on the premises, the dog must be housed in such a way that it cannot escape, and that prevents it from injuring visitors to the premises. The dwelling and outdoor enclosure (or backyard where this forms the outdoor enclosure) must be constructed in such a manner that a person cannot have access to them without the assistance of an occupier of the premises who is of or over 17 years of age.

    The owner must also ensure there is an outdoor enclosure or backyard that must:

    have a weatherproof sleeping area;
    contain lock/s that have self closing and self latching mechanisms on any gates into the enclosure, which can be (and are) locked when the dog is in the enclosure;
    be constructed and maintained in a manner which prevents the dog from being able to dig or otherwise escape under, over or through the perimeter of the enclosure;
    not be situated on premises in such a manner that people have to pass through the enclosure;
    have a minimum floor area of 10 square metres per restricted breed dog;
    have a perimeter fence with a minimum height of 1.8 metres.

    An authorised officer may also require that this perimeter have an inward facing overhang of 0.7 metres angled at 35 degrees to the horizontal plane. In addition, you may be required to use the following construction materials for an outdoor enclosure:

    brick, concrete, timber, iron or similar solid material;
    chain mesh manufactured from 3.15 mm wire to form a uniform;
    50 mm mesh, or weldmesh manufactured from 4 mm wire with a maximum mesh spacing of 50 mm.

    A combination of the above may be acceptable. The mesh size and construction detail is specified so that the enclosure will be escape proof and so that people, particularly small children, cannot fit body parts such as hands into the enclosure with the dog.
    This is a lot to comply with if you don't already have 1.8 metre fencing. That would require redoing an entire fence line, or building a secure run. Both very costly things to do. Not to mention if the council ACO decided you needed to put down concrete to stop the dog from digging under fences, if they decided you need to have an overhang, if you didn't already have a patio area....the list goes on.

    How do you know this dog wasn't a pound bitza? They could have picked the dog up from the RSPCA, AWL or one of many rescues when it was a pup and not realised what the dog was...or were told it was a different breed.

    I own A dog who could be classified under these laws. I will move, I have already said it, if these laws go federal I will pack up and move my dogs to a more accommodating Country. And I will not take a 2nd look at Australia, in all honestly we have so many "Nanny" laws these days in Australia it just isn't that great a place to live anymore, everyday they make new laws that restrict our freedom and take away our right to choose.
    I doubt this will go federal though.

    I can't find the reference to the search and destroy mission quote right now.

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    It was used by the Vic government on their press release regarding their new laws just recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    The reason why so many are worried about the latest changes and especially the use of the standard to identify PT crosses is that unfortunately the pound rescue bitsa and quite probably the Staffy cross may now be mistaken for a PT and PTS if they are not registered as such.
    I understand why people would be concerned about their dog being mistaken as a restricted breed but the standard even includes a this clause
    A a pedigree certificate from the Australian National Kennel Council;
    B a pedigree certificate from a member body of the Australian National Kennel Council;
    C a pedigree certificate from a national breed council registered with the Australian National Kennel Council;
    D a certificate signed by a veterinary practitioner stating, or to the effect, that the dog is of a particular breed.

    You should contact the council and provide the evidence to them of your dog's breed. Without one of these forms of certification your dog will be declared as a restricted breed dog if it fits the Standard for Restricted Breed Dogs in Victoria.

    Also the law says Authorised Officers of council have the power to seize a dog if they believe it is of a restricted breed. They will use the Standard for Restricted Breed Dogs in Victoria to make this assessment. They do NOT have the power to immediately put down that dog until all appeals processes are complete.

    I can see a few Staffy owners being concerned bu most have are going to be too short to fit the standard Staffy 36-41cm Pitbull 43-53.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    They do NOT have the power to immediately put down that dog until all appeals processes are complete.

    I can see a few Staffy owners being concerned bu most have are going to be too short to fit the standard Staffy 36-41cm Pitbull 43-53.
    And where will your dog be if it takes three month for this appeal to be processed......THE POUND.......And if your dog was not aggressive before it went there, it will be when it comes out. But it won't be able to come out, because then it will be an aggressive dog.

    I went to a Seminar with dog Trainers and we have all discussed how this will affect so many lovely dogs, it is just sad.
    Pets are forever

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    Clubsprint: What do you believe BSL will achieve in this country?

    Why will it work here when it has failed and been repealed in other countries?

    ETA:

    How much evidence showing that BSL doesn't work will it take before you realise that any dog can & will bite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    Not everyone has a yard big enough to conform to these regulations. Ever think about that?
    What 10sqM? Thats 2.5m x 2.5m. If you get a dog bigger than a cat and you back yard is smaller than that then you have a lot more problems than lack of space. The laws cover an inside as well as outside dwelling dogs. RTFWP.I've re-holmed a Shar Pei and a Doberman that were owned by idiots who lived in flats/units. The Shar Pei shredded the owners flat. I had no sympathy for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Clubsprint: What do you believe BSL will achieve in this country?
    I'm hoping it will see and end to those problems that the KCC tried to head off in the Early Eighties. ie The lack of existence in Australia of APBT and it looks to pick up a few others. There are a few things that need to be kept out of the hands of the masses. APBTs is one,Auomatoic Weapons is another. We do not live in a free society as some think (must be the pervasiveness of American Media) and we have a number of laws that we all must abide.

    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    Why will it work here when it has failed and been repealed in other countries?
    Is this a statement or question? We'll have to wait and see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelanBatty View Post
    How much evidence showing that BSL doesn't work will it take before you realise that any dog can & will bite?
    I already realise that any dog can & will bite, I'm glad that the Govt. is taking some of the landsharks out of this society and making them a lot harder to own. Another big change that I'm in suuort of is making owners lots more responsible.

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