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    And you can get a gun licence in all states too. Yet, guns are obviously perfectly designed to kill people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clubsprint View Post
    No it's not. It's not the place to live if you want to own a Pitbul or derivative. There is los o scAre mongering going on esspecially amongst the media.
    "A new set of visual identification guidelines spelling out exactly what is regarded as a pit bull or pit bull cross will stop owners claiming their dogs belong to different breeds.
    From Sept 30, dog inspectors will have the authority to destroy any unregistered dog fitting the pit bull description.
    Owners of pitbulls and pitbull crosses will have one month to ensure their dogs are listed on the dangerous dog register," he said.
    If these dogs are not registered by September 29, council officers will have the power to seize and destroy them.
    All Victorian pit bulls and pit bull crosses must be identified on the restricted breed register.
    Dogs on the register must be microchipped, desexed, kept in a secure yard and muzzled and on a lead when in public.
    Owners who fail to notify authorities could have their pets destroyed from September 30."
    Easy, if your dog is registered correctly you have no problem.

    I notice a lot of people are saying "blame the owners not the dog'. This is a fine sentiment but in a modern society rules have to be made when people prove that they can't be responsible. Hand Grenades are harmless but in the hands of an irresponsible owner.....therefore in this country they are illegal. As are fully automatic guns and surface to air missiles.

    Two personal experiences illustrate why this law is needed
    My father was menaced by a Pitbull looking dog whilst walking home from work in the Suburbs. What if that had been a child on a bike?
    I came home one day and the next door neighbors Pitbull Bull Mastif cross was in my back yard as he had broken down the fence. Not a big deal for me as he thought he was in trouble. when he realized I was only going to pat him his bum was hitting him in the head he was wagging so hard. His owners were responsible people but these dogs are so big and powerful that even responsible owners can't garantee the safety of others. One death is too many and I bet Ayen Chol 's parent's are in support. Incidentally I've only ever been bitten by a Fox Terrier, a Labrador, a Border Collie and a Pomerainian.
    Re: Bolded bit
    How about you check the breed standard for American Pitbull Terriers (that is the correct breed and the correct name, no such thing as a "pitbull") they are not supposed to weigh much over 25 kgs in their true form and generally only come up to your knee height. I am talking TRUE APBT here not AmBullies, Amstaff, American Bulldogs or another other breed that people lump under the word "pitbull".
    The reason your next door neighbours dog was so big was because it was cross with some sort of Mastiff (according to you) - Mastiffs weigh anywhere between 50 - 100 kgs and are huge.

    I also think comparing dogs to hand grenades and air missiles is plain ridiculous. A dog can't blow up a building and kill 5 people in one go.

    Yes rules have to be made but we are making the wrong rules! The rules need to include heavy fines for irresponsible owners and heavier jail time for people with dogs involved in attacks. We need to bring in compulsary puppy schools + continued training. We need to spend money educating the general public about the requirements of owning a dog, the training, excercise and socialization required to bring up a balanced dog etc. These are the laws we need to bring in. Banning dogs will only make the idiots want to own them more and responsible people less, and you will still have dog attacks from the banned breeds and other breeds of dogs.

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    My dog has been declared dangerous, what do I do now?

    Council must first notify you that they propose to declare your dog dangerous in writing, at this point you
    have the right of both verbal and written appeal to the Council to review their proposal and request that they
    not declare your dog.
    If the Council chooses to declare your dog dangerous, you have the right to appeal this decision at the
    Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal within 28 days of receiving the declaration.
    Telephone: (03) 9628 9830
    Toll Free: 1800 133 055 (Country callers only)

    My dog has been declared a restricted breed, what do I do now?

    The Authorised Officer must notify you in writing that your dog has been declared a restricted breed. At this
    point, you have the right to request from Council the reason why your dog has been declared a restricted
    breed.
    You can appeal the declaration that your dog a restricted breed dog by appealing this decision at the
    Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal within 28 days of receiving the declaration.
    Telephone: (03) 9628 9830
    Toll Free: 1800 133 055 (Country callers only)

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    What if I live interstate but want to bring my restricted breed dog to Victoria to visit? Am I affected by the new laws?

    Yes, if your dog is in Victoria it is required to meet Victorian law. Therefore, while in Victoria a council can declare the dog.

    A council can chose to seize the dog immediately and serve a written notice within 7 days - the notice goes to the place where the dog is residing (within Victoria- when found).

    OR

    Once an officer can chose to allow the owner to keep the dog but serve a written notice (must be to residence where the dog is residing in Victoria).

    If you leave the state with the dog and do not respond to the declaration then your dog will be deemed to be a restricted breed dog and should it enter the state again will be able to be immediately seized and destroyed.

    You may choose to challenge the declaration and would do so exactly like a Victorian owner through VCAT.

    If the Council chose to seize the dog the obligation will be for your to challenge the declaration through the VCAT process.

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    Beau, a couple of years ago they banned APBT's in Vic. No-one can actually register them as that, they have to register them AmStaffs. This is confusing the situation when it is claimed that they have until the 30th of September to register them.. that is false information.

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    I have DNA testing that outlines what breed my dog is, what do I do with this?

    Provide this to the Council officer for consideration but the officer is not obliged to make a decision based on such laboratory evidence alone. He will use the approved standard to make a final decision as to declaration of your dog as a restricted breed type.

    You have a right to appeal the declaration at VCAT and this is where your legal representative would use such DNA evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    Beau, a couple of years ago they banned APBT's in Vic. No-one can actually register them as that, they have to register them AmStaffs. This is confusing the situation when it is claimed that they have until the 30th of September to register them.. that is false information.
    Exactly. I think many fail to realise this. Hence VCAT.
    btw VCAT will cost people $210. the actual cost is $890 but the state takes the bulk.

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    If it is an American Staffordshire Terrier crossbreed and fits the 'approved standard' then it will be declared a restricted breed dog.

    You have the right to appeal this declaration at VCAT and will need to provide evidence of the dog's parentage and breeding.

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    OK, well I just hope people don't rush to their council to register their dogs as APBT's before the 30th of Sep, because if they try, they may lose their dogs on the spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    Beau, a couple of years ago they banned APBT's in Vic. No-one can actually register them as that, they have to register them AmStaffs. This is confusing the situation when it is claimed that they have until the 30th of September to register them.. that is false information.
    Nope this is incorrect.

    They are not BANNED they are RESTRICTED ie: there are restrictions that come along with owning a "Pitbull" those include you dog having to wear a special collar, signage on all entrances to your property (dangerous dog on property), you need to have a fully enclosed, lockable run in the backyard for when the dog is not in the house, the dog has to be muzzled in public at all times, they need to be neutered. You cannot breed, sell or give away "pitbulls" either and they cannot be rehomed by rescues/shelters etc.

    So if you register your dog as a Pitbull you need to then comply with the above restrictions.
    I believe only Council's in QLD have full breed bans in place ie: Logan City, Gold Coast, Brisbane, Ipswich you cannot HAVE a "Pitbull" in those council areas as it is illegal.

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