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    BL, i see where you are coming from, like i said if it were my children GOD HELP THE WORLD in the heat of the moment.

    But if like you said, the human may have been quick enough to pull the dog off before any real damage was done, they would have had to be standing right next to the dog right?? a dog "attack" is very quick to do damage.
    So if this was the case, why did the human not see the signs first? ears back etc ( any other signs of discomfort) and stopped the interaction then and there?

    I still believe that this was not an attack, or any intent of malice.

    But i do still very much feel for the little boy, poor little guy, i hope this incident doesnt abolish his liking for dogs and his trust in them. that would be the ultimate consequence in all this.

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    BL i think you may have misunderstood that statement. I do not think she was saying that the dog should have done more. Some dogs do not know how to stop at a warning and the outcome could have been alot more serious. This dog gave its warning and stopped, so yes i agree, it is a great outcome compared to what it COULD have escalated to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan4nas View Post
    But if like you said, the human may have been quick enough to pull the dog off before any real damage was done, they would have had to be standing right next to the dog right?? a dog "attack" is very quick to do damage.
    So if this was the case, why did the human not see the signs first? ears back etc ( any other signs of discomfort) and stopped the interaction then and there?
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    Just a note this thread is heading very closely to the same thread I recieved an infraction on so I am going to try and step as lighltly as possible.

    I was not there, you were not there, choppa was not there. The fact that everybody has jumped to the conclusion that

    a) Was not a full blown attack. ( Yes his injuries were not overly severe, but injuries do not alway deplict the act itself) How quicky the dog was stopped and the mood he was in when he was stopped is unknown.
    b) It was the kids fault, he is a liar
    c) The the dog should recieve a pat for his effort.

    The only thing I do agree on is that the adults are very much to blame in this situation.

    I am not exusing the child as I know they can be little sh!ts at times butt.... You can in no where pass judgement on this dog or this child without having muchhhh more information!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan4nas View Post
    . This dog gave its warning and stopped, so yes i agree, it is a great outcome compared to what it COULD have escalated to.
    How do you know? How do you know that this dog gave a warning and stopped?

    Ruby has given warnings before, when she has been hurt or people have been rough. She has snapped and growled.

    NEVER had she broken the skin NEVER has she snapped more then once.

    For gods sake biting a childs face at least twice thats hard enough to break the skin is not a bloody warning.
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    ok first things first, i have not once commented on whether or not the child was lying, actually i have not commented on the actions of the child because i do NOT believe that even if the child was tormenting the dog that it should have done ANY damage.

    The things that my two girls put up with from my kids, now THEY should be applauded for showing restraint because they just cop it, or when they have really had enough they up and walk away.

    I do not believe that even a warning is acceptable, i am simply stating that it COULD have been alot worse. So THANK GOD the dog had some sort of restraint.

    I do not know WHO is in the wrong here, if you would ask for my opinion i would say the adult in charge. The child, WHETHER HE WAS LYING OR NOT, does not have the slightest experience in how to handle dogs, what to do and not to do around dogs, i would not blame him for one second. The poor lil man has no blame in this situation.

    We had a German shephard growing up and when i was about 8 my friend and i were playing with him. making him shake hands over and over and OVER. actually she was, i was just standing next to him. after about i would say the tenth time, he lunged and nipped her on the face pinching her cheek with his teeth which split it open and head butted her leaving her with a black eye.. sorry to say but i dont blame him. not a nice thing for her, but he had quiet simply had ENOUGH. that situation could have also gotten alot worse, being a german shepherd a pinch with his teeth into her cheek was NOTHING, COMPARED to what could have happened...

    All i am saying in this instance is no matter what happened leading up to the "WARNING OR ATTACK", things could have gotten alot worse and thank GOD that they didnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog_Lover View Post
    Just a note this thread is heading very closely to the same thread I recieved an infraction on so I am going to try and step as lighltly as possible.

    I was not there, you were not there, choppa was not there. The fact that everybody has jumped to the conclusion that

    a) Was not a full blown attack. ( Yes his injuries were not overly severe, but injuries do not alway deplict the act itself) How quicky the dog was stopped and the mood he was in when he was stopped is unknown.
    b) It was the kids fault, he is a liar
    c) The the dog should recieve a pat for his effort.

    The only thing I do agree on is that the adults are very much to blame in this situation.

    I am not exusing the child as I know they can be little sh!ts at times butt.... You can in no where pass judgement on this dog or this child without having muchhhh more information!
    Because you will know a full blown attack when you see one and the outcome does not look like this no matter how quick the intervention is. This was a warning snap, it is even possible the dog misjudged how close the child was or the child was moving closer to the dog and accidentally got the childs face. For instance the dog would have bit down HARD in an attack and the childs facial wounds would have been full out punctures and LOTS LOTS worse, this is a quick snap with no intention of causing serious damage.

    No one said the kid is definitely a liar we have said it is quite possible that he is lying. The OP said he is too young to lie we were saying that that is untrue, kids have the ability to lie from a very young age and giving examples of. Like I said in my post the kid may have done something and not even realised it, it happens.

    No one said the dog should get a pat for his effort, you are taking Choppa's comment out of context. As Dan explained some dogs do not know the difference between a warning and a full out attack.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog_Lover View Post
    How do you know? How do you know that this dog gave a warning and stopped?

    Ruby has given warnings before, when she has been hurt or people have been rough. She has snapped and growled.

    NEVER had she broken the skin NEVER has she snapped more then once.

    For gods sake biting a childs face at least twice thats hard enough to break the skin is not a bloody warning.
    As I have already said it was probably not twice. My nephew had worse injuries from 1 bite, dogs have lots of teeth which are all different sizes and shapes and on top of that the child would have pulled away as the dog snapped causing the teeth to make those marks in one go.
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    Great post Dan I actually had a german shepard growing up. her name was Sasha LMAO She was a great dog. My little brother used to ride her like a horse.
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    our german shepherd was a GREAT dog, they both were, rhajar and rhani, or however you would spell them. i only put that in as it shows that dogs can do damage without REALLY meaning to. this dog MAY or may not have meant to, but no one knows its intention.. no one knows what led to it.

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    I had a chat with my 'friend' last night and yes I am very angry at her, and yes I considerred legal action for the surgery he may require for the scars that will deifnately form.
    She has told me that this while it has never bitten anyone before, it often growls at children and adults. 2nd : when the bite(s) accured she just 'popped inside for 2 secs' and came straight out at the sound of trouble(I know she shouldn't have left him at all just telling her what she told me) 3: If my dog did this to him she would be put to sleep them same day. I love my Gypsy but I would rather hate myself for having to do that than hate her if god forbid she did it again. I have an Aunt who had near identical incident and still has the scars... they let that dog live and it bit the owner.
    But my view with the dog (at this stage) if it were to ever happen again I would never forgive myself. But I am meeting the dog and owner this afternoon and if the dog appears not to be agressive i will be asking the dog to be at least marked as dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog_Lover View Post
    My Jaw just physically dropped when i read this statement. You have got to be kidding honestly?? Please tell me you were joking when you typed that?
    No.
    I am certainly not joking.
    If the dog had been doing more than a warning that the out come of this would of been much,much worse.
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