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    Children under 5 can be the worst with dogs. They do tend to go for the cuddle, they mistake the dog for a cuddly toy. The number of times I had to tell my niece and nephew that my puppy and myself were not their toys and would not what they want all the time. And definitely no poking in the eye.

    And there have been studies that show children will lie from about as soon as they can talk. Eg they get left alone in a room with very tempting toy or bowl of lollies, and asked not to touch them. Very few children can do that. And a significant number of children at age 2 and over - can lie about it. They're sprung by a camera and one way mirror but they lie. A dog would be equivalent to a very tempting toy.

    It may be that your son has not lied but that you have not asked the right question yet.

    At the moment we still don't know how the child and dog came to be in the same place - unsupervised. And it could have been much worse. What if it was a swiming pool or pond.

    page 2 of this seems relevant.
    Why Kids Lie -- Age by Age - Parenting.com

    I would be most angry at the friend for the lack of supervision. I would be fairly angry at myself for misjudging the friend's quality of care. It's a bit hard to judge the dog when you don't know what happened. Like the others said, it's likely the dog could have done much more damage if it was truly aggressive.

    Here's another article about kids and fibs
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10119297
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    I watched a doco about children lying, and children that lie are generally considered more intelligent than ones that dont. This only applies while they are little though because by a certain age pretty much all kids have learnt to lie LOL

    Anyway, the theory behind the intelligence/lying thing is that a chil who lies has thought through the consequences of eatign the lolly, so lies to not get caught yet get to eat the treat as well

    Of course, one can argue that the most intelligent child just doesnt eat the lolly in the first place LMAO

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    yeah but the younger the child, the less likely it is to have learned impulse control. Or the concept of if I hold off now, the reward later will be worth it. Delayed Gratification I think it's called.

    I liked how quite a few of the studies suggested that kids often "lie" because they don't have the strongest handle on what is real and what isn't. This would be true of TV - ie when are they just pretend and when is it real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Children under 5 can be the worst with dogs. They do tend to go for the cuddle, they mistake the dog for a cuddly toy. The number of times I had to tell my niece and nephew that my puppy and myself were not their toys and would not what they want all the time. And definitely no poking in the eye.

    And there have been studies that show children will lie from about as soon as they can talk. Eg they get left alone in a room with very tempting toy or bowl of lollies, and asked not to touch them. Very few children can do that. And a significant number of children at age 2 and over - can lie about it. They're sprung by a camera and one way mirror but they lie. A dog would be equivalent to a very tempting toy.

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    first paragragh, totally agree, but my kids do this to my dog, but they also know what will happen, my dog hasn't ever reacted (it's only through other dogs they learnt the hard way what will happen), and I doubt he will, but i won't let other kids do it because I don't know whether my dog will see other kids the same as the ones that are "under his guard"

    second paragraph - just to put it in perspective, i can tell my kids to not touch something, and i know they will, and they do, but when questioned they will tell me they did, so this kind of shows more so kids have less impulse control rather than dishonesty, also, they do lie about things occasionally like all children do, but they are also 4 and 6 years old, so they're not very good at it and we can always see through them

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    If a dog bit my child in the face like that, I think i would beat it to death. I would be horrified! I am sorry that has happened to you and your boy! Im not sure of the rules and regulations regarding a dog bite to be honest I think you basically report it to the council and they will investigate and determine the outcome.

    As its a bite but not like a brutal attack maybe they will declare the dog dangerous but not put it to sleep!

    Hope you little boy recovers quickly! xx
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    That would be so horrible. I have a 3 and 4 year old so i can only imagine. If that happened to either of my children, by god i would be pissed. I LOVE animals but i would be questioning your friend (if your looking after someone’s child, you don’t go anywhere unless they know) and I would be wondering like everyone else has said why/how the dog got the chance to even bite him on the face. The face is also one of the worst places for a child to get bittern... In the heat of the moment, i would be saying PUT IT DOWN, and when i generally come to a decision its hard for me or anyone to change it, BUT if you turn the tables, if it was YOUR DOG, and it bit someone’s child what would you do, what would you feel like if they told you they wanted to put your best friend, your pet, your companion to sleep?
    After all my rant - i think i'd supply the council with pictures, doctors reports, and let them deal with it...someone with no loss or gain as to what happens or does not happen to the dog

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    I think meeting with your friend who was babysitting and his/her friends with the dog and meeting the dog is the best thing to do.

    Honestly it could have been one bite, dogs have LOTS of teeth and it is more than likely your son moved as the dog bit him which could have caused the multiple wounds that look like more than one. In fact my nephew was bitten by a family dog at about 18months/2 years old and he had similar wounds (one on his bottom lip, one near his eye and one on his cheeck there were more but they were the worst) from a single bite, the difference is my nephew had to have microsurgery to fix some of the wounds on his face.

    My nephew tells fibs and he is only 4 and has been telling fibs for a while. They understand quite and lot and may have been told not to do something to the dog previously, done it anyways and gotten bitten and is now lying about it because he was already told not to do that. But who knows.

    Personally I do not believe the dog deserves to be put down and if it was my dog I would be fighting you to the ends of the earth because that is clearly a warning and not a full blown attack. If this dog is around kids then there must have been some sort of provocation even if you son does not realise what he did.
    In the end if you want to blame someone blame your friend she shouldn't have taken him there without notifying you and should not have left your son near a strange dog, because in the end if the dog wasn't very close to your son when this happened then the dog would have had to run from somewhere else to get him and in that case I would expect a more full on attack.

    I hope your son recovers quickly both mentally and physically anyways and that the right decision is made in relation to the dog. My brother has 2 dogs now and my nephew is fine with them, no long term issues being scared of dogs and no major scarring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Children under 5 can be the worst with dogs. They do tend to go for the cuddle, they mistake the dog for a cuddly toy. The number of times I had to tell my niece and nephew that my puppy and myself were not their toys and would not what they want all the time. And definitely no poking in the eye.
    My kids are great with my dog and they are not liers.

    Why is this kid being branded a Liar? Of course it must have been his fault, he must have provoked the dog no dog ever just attacks.. Concidering the Op doesnt even know what breed of dog this is I dont know she knows too much about what actually happen.


    Quote Originally Posted by Keira & Phoenix View Post
    Personally I do not believe the dog deserves to be put down and if it was my dog I would be fighting you to the ends of the earth because that is clearly a warning and not a full blown attack. I.
    How is it "Clearly" not an attack. No one can say that when they were not there! He Clearly got one if not two bites in there, how can we say that the adult just was quick enough to get the dog before he did anymore damage?

    How does anyone know that the owner had to subdue the dog?

    I would believe the adult of this situation would be more inclined to lie when trying to save her a$$ then a child.
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    Sorry but in situation such as this my first blame is with the adults in charge( this icludes the parents). They should of been present at all times,especiaaly as it is not their own children and the had the utmost responability to supervise children and dogs at all times.

    Instead of the dog being branded the one at fault here here ,the adults who the child was in care of should be given the third degree and even then I would still be holding the more responsible than the dog. Also, as much as any parent hates to hear this, the child itself could be to blame as who knows what the child did when no-one was paying attention.

    To be truthful the marks do look like a warning , not an attack,not even a retaliation on the dogs part. I actuaaly give kudos for the dog in question for his self restraint to be honest.

    Yes I understand how distressing it must be for the parents and dog owner alike but I truley fail to see this as anyother but a human error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    I actuaaly give kudos for the dog in question for his self restraint to be honest.
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    My Jaw just physically dropped when i read this statement. You have got to be kidding honestly?? Please tell me you were joking when you typed that?
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