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    OK, this is a tricky one.

    You don't know for sure that your dogs caused the cat to die. 30 seconds really isnt that long and if they had only dragged the cat out then I don't think that necessarily points to the dogs havign killed the cat. Perhaps it had been hit by a car previously an dhence why it was in the bush..who knows. But because you dont know that your dogs caused the death, that is the reason I wouldnt tell the owners and the only reason.

    IMO, if you knew for a fact that your dogs had caused the cats death, then you most definitely should tell th eowners. Accepting responsible dog ownership means taking the crap stuff with the good and I don't agree with the above posts re keeping it queit....except in the case that you dontknow they caused the death.

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    Yeah I agree with regards to not actually knowing if your dogs caused the kitty to pass on. You didn't describe it as them dragging it out and shacking it around or any other real violence so its possible that it either got hit before the attack or was shaken up and got hit after your dogs scared it.

    When you found the cat dead did it look like it had much trauma from your dogs? Ie: puncture wounds, blood??

    I would as Lala said try to find out whether the cat passing away was truly from your dogs before considering your next options.

    Maybe if you do find out it wasn't your dogs it may be kind of you to notify the owners that you found their cat dead and that you think it was from being hit by a car etc etc so they have some closure.

    In the end most council laws say it is the responsibility of the cats owner to ensure the cat is not wandering off their property, your dogs were leashed it is just an unfortunate accident that they found the cat hiding under the bush. Its likely though as the cat didn't try to get away before the dogs grab it that it was already hurt or in shock.

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    I have no idea......Same as everyone, maybe the cat was injured already. your dogs were on lead.
    BUT as an owner I would like to know where my pet was, so I would maybe let the possible owner know the cat was found. this is a hard one. I have made my pets used to small animals (possums and cats) but it could still happen and I would be terrified that my dogs could possibly be shot.
    I feel for you and was I in the same situation, would probably still not know what to do
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    If this was my cat.. I would be pissed..
    I would like you to come and tell me. I wouldnt report you but I would like to know what happened..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peta23 View Post
    If this was my cat.. I would be pissed..
    I would like you to come and tell me. I wouldnt report you but I would like to know what happened..
    True if you know who the owner is maybe you should let them know you found their cat dead so they know what happened & are not out looking for the cat etc.
    But I would still be very very wary of admitting that your dogs may have killed it as I have little faith left in the council to handle matters correctly if they do report you. I know what I'm saying isn't pc but I just hate to see the outcomes of some of these type of complants especally since there is already a prior incedent.
    But you must do what your heart & head togetyher tell you is the right thing for you to do. We where not there you where, we do not have to walk in your shoes, just think hard & be very careful about how you proceed.
    If you do go to them take a witness with you also.
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    mustlovedogs

    I think in SA there is some sort of clause in the animal welfare act that says if you injure an animal, you're supposed to find the owners or do your best to find the owners, and get help for the animal, or humanely dispatch if you think it is beyond help. This includes if you hit an animal with your car.

    Problems with this is
    1. if you dispatch the animal by bashing its head in with a rock - you will be done for animal cruelty, even if you think you're doing your best to dispatch it quickly.
    2. how is a non-vet supposed to know how severely injured an animal is.
    3. what can you do to find the owner in the circumstances - eg door knock? call the police? call the council ranger? door knock and ask someone else to call the police/council ranger - if you don't have a phone available.

    I've got no idea what I'd do in the same situation - probably walk away and say nothing.

    I think you'd fail to win any argument that suggests that your dogs could kill a cat while under your control. Either they were under your control - and you allowed them to kill the cat, or they were not under your control and they killed or seriously harmed the cat. Either way - not good/lawful.

    Did your dogs get excited about the bush before you got to it? ie clue that there was something they should not have under the bush. What if it was a steak loaded with 10-80 poison? If you can't stop your dogs from eating that while on lead, you might want to consider getting them muzzles for when you're out walking. I've seen people put large amounts of snail bait and the occasional block of rat poison in their unfenced front yards. It's up to me to make sure my dog doesn't get into it. I have enough trouble with dynamic lifter and blood and bone fertilizers...

    And I don't let her lunge at cats either. If we see a cat, and I often see it first, I make her sit, I tell her to leave it. And when she seems calm - we walk on - keeping a safe distance. If she starts lunging, we stop walking because I don't want her pulling on lead.

    If you think you know where the cat lived, you could leave an anonymous note - but - what would you say? "Your cat is dead, it died here".

    It's not ok for anyone to let their cats roam, but it's also not ok for any of us to just kill the cat (or let our dogs do it) either.

    There is a possibility it was a feral cat, if it was on council land.

    These are the relevant bits of the SA Animal Welfare Act (previously known as the prevention of cruelty to animals act).
    (c) having caused the animal harm (not being an animal of which that person is
    the owner), fails to take reasonable steps to mitigate the harm; or
    (f) causes the animal to be killed or injured by another animal
    The above two are offences

    15A—Duty of person in charge of vehicle in case of accidents involving animals
    Where an animal is injured in an accident involving a vehicle, the person in charge of
    the vehicle must—
    (a) take such steps as are reasonably practicable in the circumstances to inform
    the owner of the animal that the animal was injured; and
    (b) where, after taking such steps, that person has been unable to contact the
    owner—inform an inspector, within 24 hours of the accident occurring, of the
    circumstances of the accident.
    Last edited by Hyacinth; 02-04-2011 at 04:01 PM.

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    I'm new to Australia, so unfortunately I don't have any advice for dealing with council.

    I wanted to add that it sounds like you did everything right, you had your dogs under control and on leashes. It's not your fault that cat wound up under a bush near where you were walking. It's not your dogs' fault that they went after the cat, especially if other neighborhood cats tease your dogs. I'm sure you feel bad about what happened, but you have no way of knowing where roaming cats will decide to rest ... and that cat shouldn't have even been there to start with.

    It's really confusing to me that there are so many regulations relating to dogs here, but nada for cats. Cats should not be allowed to have free roam of the neighborhood. There are probably a dozen or more cats in my neighborhood that roam freely (they're not strays, their owners think they're doing the cats a favor by letting them out for a stroll). I don't have anything against cats, but it's unfair (and at times unpleasant) to have cats roaming about. It's actually bad for the environment too, cats hunt the native wildlife while they're on the walks. It really irks me that if one of these cats should be unfortunate enough to get into my backyard my dogs will be looked upon poorly (when the cat never should have even been there).

    Is there anything that we can do to encourage councils to require responsible cat ownership?

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    I disagree with most of your post.

    It's not right to walk away from a possibly dying cat and do nothing to help it or find its owners. Although I can understand doing that, it's probably what I would do.

    I don't think mustlovedogs had the dogs "under control" even though they were on lead. If they were "under control" and they grabbed the cat then s/he permitted this to happen - which I find harder to believe.

    I also find it hard to believe that the whole thing lasted 30 seconds. I suspect it was more like 10 seconds - these things happen unbelievably quickly but it seems like time slows down.

    I also feel that dogs can be trained not to chase cats - no matter what the cats do, so I don't believe "it was not the dogs' fault" there either. It's not like they grabbed the cat accidentally.

    I agree with the feeling bad about it. I would too. I feel bad about the mice I kill in traps.

    And as best I can tell in most of Australia, it is illegal for cat owners to allow their cats to roam off their property. So there are regulations. In my council, they've just introduced a bylaw to requrie cats be registered and microchipped too although I think it only applies to new cats / kittens not for cats that live here before the legislation was introduced.

    So cats are allowed to roam but it is illegal (in most places in Australia) and nobody enforces the law.

    I am ambivalent about cats. I hate what they do the native wildlife. I don't like my neighbours cats crapping in my back yard and I don't like them waking me up in the middle of the night.

    I do encourage my dog to chase them out of my back yard but I don't allow her to chase cats in the street. And she does not touch them, or I would stop her from chasing them in the back yard too. I would have no problems taking any cat I didn't know and I caught in my back yard on a one way trip to the vet. If it was the neighbour's cat - I'd take it back to them, very soggy. I have no problems squirting cats that tease my dog from the neighbour's garage roof either.

    I would feel rotten in mustlovedogs situation, I would feel bad but not that bad about the cat - because it should not have been there. I would be concerned for my dog's welfare if it could get hold of a cat while on lead - the cat could damage the dog, and next time it might be a bait which would also damage the dog. And we've had a near miss with a snake that my dog wanted - but she was on lead so she didn't get near it. What if it had been a poisonous snake under the bush?

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    really its actually illegal to let ya cats roam?

    I thought that was only some states...vic i thought was one as I had a friend who left hercats in NZ as they were outside cats and were going to have to be relegated to inside when she moved to melb.

    There are a few cats in our neighbourhood in sydney who roam, one being a big fat giner tom who sits up on the back fence mocking my dogs - he will regret it one day because Barney hates him (though he doesnt mind the big flauffy black one that strolls round otu there).

    I dont know if anyone is interested in this but when I was still in NZ, I went to a showing at Te papa (museum in welly) about cats and wildlife. In NZ, cats are blamed a lot for the destruction of native birds (as some may know, a lot of ours dont fly) but the statistics actually say that cats dont do anywhere near as much damage as suspected and pests like stoats etc do the majority of it. Just foudn it interestig, mayb be different in Oz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Glitter009

    I disagree with most of your post.

    It's not right to walk away from a possibly dying cat and do nothing to help it or find its owners. Although I can understand doing that, it's probably what I would do.
    Ummm ... I never said to walk away from a dying cat and do nothing. That would be horrible.

    I'm glad to know that your council has laws against cats roaming around. Where I live they either don't have the law or don't enforce what ever law might be in place. On our walk this evening we saw 3 cats, not to mention the ones we didn't see.

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