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    I am a bit confused...........I don't know this breeder at all, so guide my folks.
    Did the breeder not Microchip and register these pups?

    I can only speak for my experience with my breeder. She microchips all her pups and Registers them. They are registered by her and sometimes she gives the new owners the "papers" and they are in our name, as with us. And some she has in a contract and she keeps the papers in her name, as was with Lucas. But the new owner is fully aware of this.
    Sometimes she will only register as pets and give the papers in the new owners name and the contract says they are to be desexed and are not on the main Register and cannot be bred.
    But whatever happens all pups have been registered with the canine council.
    Is this what happens most of the time with known good breeders, or am i wrong (again)
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    Yes this is what happens if all pups are registered but many only do full reg on some pups & do not put any on limited reg.
    But even if this particular dog is no reg he should be micro chipped but that only prove Theo breed him or once owned him not wether he is from reg papered dogs or not.
    This particular kennel dose no genetic health testing & breeds over sized dogs so I would not be surpriced if he has many pups he dose not bother to get registered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nvd52k View Post
    well thing is guys, i bought wanted as a 10 month old pup i love him to death i never got papers and my friend was telling me that i was stupid to not get none since i did pay $2000 for him. so by law he should still have papers for him i want something to say to him at least to back myself up in a friendly way theo is a good guy. i asked him before and he said it was too late now or something he's microchipped and registered aswell to my local vet

    wanted was the first dog that he had up on his website a black and white chested amstaff. at the moment hes got a blue american staffy up as wanted aswell which is he's new breeding dog i guess



    You paid TWO THOUSAND dollars for a pup with no PAPERS ??

    Just stay tuned in nvd as I'm going to have a little look into this and perhaps see why such discrepencies Nd IMO over breeding , not always health testing and then there the one or two health tests that do show perhaps a small problem but oh well,he'll breed with them anyway.

    They are nothing more than an unethical,unreputable highly publicised walking encyclopedia ( Theo was the author so no one could say he was wrong ever again) Then charges so much over price for his no way up to breeding/showing/health standard then thestory would be downright hilarious and mind boggling that if it wasn't so sad for the dogs who are the ones stuck in the middle of this standard dogs its proproiter.

    He is nothing more than a peddlar and a puppy farmer


    Worst of it all?
    He's a registered breeder.
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    nvd52K

    If you have it in writing that your puppy would come with papers and you have not received these ANKC dog registration papers that show the dog is the breed that the breeder says it is, then you can argue fraud and ask for a refund or write your credit card company and ask them to cancel the transaction (ie you get your money back).

    However if you have nothing in writing agreeing to anything it will be hard to prove anything.

    Like the others said - that particular kennels is notoroius for not doing what they promise. You could anonymously? dob them in to their local council as selling "pit bulls" or selling "amstaff" without papers aka "pit bulls". Which is illegal in most of Australia.

    You could also put a complaint into the ANKC. Or DogsNSW or equivalent in your state.

    But 2.5 years is a long time to wait before saying something's wrong.

    I'd be tempted to tell people your dog was a boxer x.

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    Wow $2000 for an unregistered dog!

    I paid between $400 and $700 for my lot and they are all on main, limited or working registers except my old dog and her breeder gave me her papers even though we didnt register her.

    My friend took on a pit bull - lovely natured friendly animal and she always told any ranger that asked that she was a boxer cross. Although the dog was so well behaved and friendly, there was never any problem.

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    yeah, im not sure on what to do anymore? he is registered to my local vet as a american staffy. reason being hes just a big, chunky cute dog that loves my nephews and family. its just in the back of my head as my friend said how did you pay $2000 for a dog with no papers why don't you chase this up with him.

    i was thinking what if i make up some story saying he needs his papers to be registered to my council since he bit my neighbours dog or something and the neighbours are taking me to court over a dispute and i dont have papers to provide for evidence in approval of his main blood line as an american staffy. but i dont know if he has the heart for dogs that he sells to people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvd52k View Post
    yeah, im not sure on what to do anymore? he is registered to my local vet as a american staffy. reason being hes just a big, chunky cute dog that loves my nephews and family. its just in the back of my head as my friend said how did you pay $2000 for a dog with no papers why don't you chase this up with him.

    i was thinking what if i make up some story saying he needs his papers to be registered to my council since he bit my neighbours dog or something and the neighbours are taking me to court over a dispute and i dont have papers to provide for evidence in approval of his main blood line as an american staffy. but i dont know if he has the heart for dogs that he sells to people.
    Don't do that....You might end up getting your dog labelled as a dangerous dog. Never mention a dog has bitten someone, especially if they haven't.

    I think you might miss out on the "papers" by reading what all the people here say. They seem to know the kennels.
    It is sad that these sort of kennels still seem to be able to be registered.

    The only thing is if you can find more people from the same Kennel you might be able to do a Class Action type thing. The more people the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newfsie View Post
    Don't do that....You might end up getting your dog labelled as a dangerous dog. Never mention a dog has bitten someone, especially if they haven't.

    The only thing is if you can find more people from the same Kennel you might be able to do a Class Action type thing. The more people the better.
    Numbers often frighten people into submission
    I agree never say your dog has bitten someone if he hasnt or anything may happen. Terrible things may come of that.

    I would simply be ringing up and saying that I want the registration papers especially as you paid $2000 for the dog. If he has excuses just simply say that you will lodge a complaint with the ANKC and do so if the papers arent forthcoming.

    In fact it may be worth ringing the ANKC if he is a registered breeder and asking what your options are in terms of registration. They will usually only give you 18 months to register your dog from a puppy. Maybe the breeder registered the whole litter although it does sound unlikely.

    If there are more people that are unhappy and you all lodge a complaint even better.

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    From memory, it was only a year or two ago that the SACA made it compulsory for every pup from a litter to be registered, prior to that, breeders in SA did not have to register every pup, so he was well within his rights as a "registered breeder" to sell unpapered dogs, morally not so right......

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    You know I'm not that against not pappering dogs if thats the new puppy owners wish in most breeds but I think AM Staffs have to be otherwise what's to say they are not a Pitbull.
    I have nothing against Pitties & truth be told would rather a true old type Pitty any day over these AM Staffs(for me a Staffy is a shorter little solid english dog) but you need to be able to protect your dog from the stupid Pitty laws these days & that takes rego of stating it's not a Pit but an AM Staff.
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