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    nice to know that some people still have a level head about things.
    i have noticed generally people who spear head the wanting for all dogs to be desexed generally and generally come acorss farly angry over certain aspects of dog ownership seems to be from women.
    i have theorys to why, but rather not share them.

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    Same reasons people do not have to pass tests or take the kids to training......said in a joking fashion


    There are many people however who do not have to take their dogs to training and have wonderful dogs, well behaved and a joy to be around. I think it is just how it is, same with all things. Just look at driving, even though people have to pass tests there are still people who drive like lunatics and are just outright dangerous.

    I really think people expect too much of dogs, they expect all dogs to be friendly and go to dogs aprks and socialise......that is not natural and should not be expected. even in same-breed dogs raised in the same owner/dog-trainer dogs do not come out equal on the other side. I do not expect dogs to be friendly, I expect them to be well behaved under control by the handler/owner
    I actually think it is our need to feel that all dogs should get along with all people and other dogs, that causes so many of the incidences. How often do you walk with your dog on lead and a dog comes running towards you and some one is running behind them or just standing there and says/yells "my dog is friendly"...Well so mine might not be and your might cause a problem....we should all know dog manners and be able to read our dogs and contain or control them. I only expect dogs to be friendly with familiar dogs that they have met before and I know some are friendly, but the other dog should also be thought of. I actually have very friendly dogs as I train mine and they are just soppy newfoundlands.........But I do not expect other peoples dogs to have to tolerate them.

    There is also the person who likes some aggression in their dogs and I think they almost make their dogs aggressive, That is really scary......

    And we also have the ones who choose the incorrect breed for them, be it a super active breed or a high prey drive or a breed that is just requiring a lot of training/grooming/care. No matter what you say to them and how supportive you try to be and how much training you do with them, they just are unable to train that dog or care for it properly. Training does not always lead to success.

    This is a hard one...i just wish people who really wanted to be with their dogs and enjoyed every aspect of their life (including training) were the only ones who took on a dog. People should remember you do not have to have a dog..........No simple solutions

    And I wish the Breeders would also be more specific as to what people should expect from their puppy and choose the new owners carefully for the dogs sake
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    Desexing a dog shouldn't be in this discussion. There are many pros for not desexing and many cons for desexing too early.

    In other countries (Sweden? for memory) they have rules in place that put a lot of responsibility on the breeders and heavy fines for non-compliance. This is in relation to the people that adopt also, putting a lot of pressure on the breeders to choose homes wisely.

    I think it would definitely be a cost thing for enforcing certain rules, unfortunately.

    I liken mandatory desexing to BSL. It isn't the entire dog that is the reason for unwanted litters, it is the irresponsible owner that allow it to happen.

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    desexing rather than curb human ignorance with education, seems like an easy way out.
    tougher education standards for dog owners and potential dog owners would solve the problems more than pushing desexing.

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    well - this discussion is in the BSL section... and BSL in the states that have it, requires that certain "breeds" of dogs be desexed. Ie it's mandatory. It's not enforced unfortunately.

    I haven't posted here because I've already written what I think about licencing dog ownership in another thread.

    It's only going to be as good as enforcement. Which, at the moment, is a big steaming pile of dog sh*t.

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    Seeing as dogs and humans have been together for thousands of years and dog ownership is a part of life perhaps there should be better education in schools. Could be a fun but very important life skill. When I was at school there was cooking,sewing, woodwork etc so why not learning about dog/pet ownership.

    I personally as a responsible dog owners who trains my dogs find the thought of restrictive nanny type enforcements that potentially make things increasingly difficult not what I would want. Enforcing them would be a nightmare and the people that enforce them can be very officious at times. Some of the "officials" dont know the first thing about dogs.

    I know we have to have laws in our life but god help us when every last detail of our lives has to be micromanaged by a license or a permit. I hope I wont be around when that day arrives, it will mean that our society is well and truly broken.
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    Kalacreek - the one thing about the dog world is everyone involved come from many walks of life and all have real world jobs from all areas from farmer to law enforcement to government.
    generally tho's in gov and law enforcement know they can only do so much before they will step on peoples rights and freedom's.
    i know someone who was told by a retired gov worker that in general Law's can't be enforced in first place. there is no such thing as freedom in reality. there a very few "laws" that are actively Enforced aside from the general nudge here and there to keep the masses in check and reminders.
    Generally its keeping hunting down the really bad ones that need dealing with, tho still its a shame when the positions are abused and used tool for groups with agenda's, wont say it but i'm sure most of you know what i'm referring to.

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    Yet another thread on how to punish the majority of people who do the right thing all because a small minority don't. Laws are for those who obey them...not for those who don't.

    Punish those who do the wrong thing...not the rest of us. There are enough dog laws now...we don't need more...councils don't enforce the laws we have now. Do you really think people who don't register or microchip their dogs and just don't give a stuff are going to get a licence and go to obedience training.
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    I actually don't think this is a great thread for me to "express my views" in as the first thread back after being AWOL for some time
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    I was just reading through this thread....our local obedience club runs a Responsible Dog Ownership Program and we find that most of the dogs are adopted through the RSPCA and are quite a handful.....this program teaches the handlers (who are usually new handlers) to be able to walk their dog on lead without any problems also if the dog has "issues" that they are able to control their dog and are able to handle the situation to make owing a dog an enjoyable one and not having to be on their toes thinking is their dog going to attack anyone.....also in the dog club they have introduced the yellow ribbon which is working really well allowing other handlers to know that the dog with the yellow ribbon needs some room....I think clubs should maybe look into running a Responsible Dog Ownership Program as I feel it would benefit a lot of people and their dogs

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