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    Yep, totally agree the owner must cop it on the chin ... but like MMJ said it's about the dogs been declared 'dangerous'.

    So from what i got told this arvo, they have dodged a bullet of sorts and a lot of it has to do with their local ranger been a bloody top bloke. I've dealt with this guy before and he's more than fair.
    Anyway dogs got registered today and can be picked up tomorrow. Look like they will (finger and paws crossed) be declared 'menacing' ... meaning a much smaller fine and less restrictions. As for the cat, well it was attacked on its property but out the front in the unfenced part. $600 vet bill but still not sure what the cat owners want to do about that as they have to go through a bit of a hoo hah to get the ball rolling for claiming damages. Apparently most people think it's all to hard and dont bother.

    So all in all , well the way i see it anyway, is everyone got off lightly (except the poor putty tatt). Dogs aren't declared dangerous (touchwood) and they didn't get hit by a car or attacked themselves..... the owners got fined a lot less than first thought.... and the cat owners luckily didn't loose their poor cat.

    A lesson learnt the hard way though.


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    glad to hear it all worked out as well as could be expected in the circumstances, my take on the scenario was that while I might personally not think of the dogs as dangerous - I guess a line needs to be drawn somewhere when making the definition. Is a dog only dangerous if it attacks a child, or is it dangerous if it attacks a menacing large adult? Is it dangerous when it attacks another dog? How about other domestic animals (be they cats, rabbits or ferrets)? The laws have to define it somehow. For the record I do not think either party in the scenario mentioned was in the right - cats should either be indoors or contained in a cage and dogs should either be properly confined or under effective control. if either of those things had occurred then a nasty accident could have been averted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    I don't think anyone disagrees with that RileyJ, more whether a dangerous dog declaration is appropriate. I have no problem with the owners being fined and forced to pay damages for the cat(assuming the cat was allowed outside under council rules) but I don't think it's appropriate to classify them as dangerous for attacking a cat. Just MO
    Well - maybe it is time that people on this forum need to actually look at the state and council legislation for their particular part of this country that they live in ! Emotions are fine - but .... ?

    We are going on what 'Sean' said here !

    My questions would be:

    Where was the cat? If it was on its own property and attacked by these dogs who were loose and not on their property - then why wouldn't these dogs be declared dangerous ?

    If they also weren't registered - at least with the local council - so - what does that also say about the owners of these dogs ?

    I could also bring in the idea of training your dog or dogs - but feel that I would be wasting my breath !

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    Some interesting comments here and differing viewpoints.

    RileyJ, you are right on the money as usual.

    The dogs were not registered, not chipped, I will assume certainly not desexed, and not trained.
    An obedient dog does not BOLT when a gate is left open.
    They will likely get out again.
    They will make babies with any available female.
    They will get run over.

    The owners got off too lightly.

    As for the dangerous dog issue - a dog that BOLTS and CHASES is dangerous.
    I have a Cattle /Staffy girl myself and training this behaviour out of her was
    my number one priority.

    MDDodge - they were "ONLY" chasing. The pony is dead for goodness sake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    Ooh 'jadielee87' – that is soo sad to read the above ! That poor pony ! How scared it must have been and then because of its injuries – having to be put down !

    From what you have said – the owners came off very lightly with just their dogs being declared dangerous. If it had been my pony – that would have been the least of their legal problems !

    'Sean' - If their dogs are out and about and not in their own yard - then the owners of these dogs must 'man up' and be responsible for what damage and destruction their dogs do !

    There really is no excuse for dogs not being registered with the council, microchipped and for them not being safely contained in their own backyard.
    Oh there is much more to the story... there was stalking, court cases etc the owners were rightfully pissed off but went about it the wrong way. They wanted all of the dogs put to sleep. They set up security cameras to spy into their yard to make sure the dogs were kept locked up, complained to council about trivial things. Really anything they could to make these peoples lives hell. It is sad that the pony was put to sleep but honestly it wasn't given attention or proper care from the owners anyway (not excusing behavior). My friends parents ended up moving house as they couldn't live next to these crazy people anymore.

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    I know of a horse that was killed because of a low flying hot air balloon. It ran into a fence and broke its back. Balloon people refused to pay.

    Do we declare the balloon and pilot dangerous?

    Dangerous dog rules vary from state to state. Dogs are definitely allowed to be shot for harassing (chasing) stock without permission. Ie if it's not the farmer's herding dog - any stranger's unknown dog that is chasing (not herding) animals is going to be shot. No council appeal required.

    Dogs can be let out by tradies, meter readers, thieves, small children, lawnmower men, visitors. If there is anything exciting on the other side - my dog will try to get to it - including saying hello to her favourite neighbours. I really should put a lock on the gate.

    Personally I think if someone let the dog out - they should be liable for the vet bills and etc.

    As for dangerous dog - not sure. Maybe. It doesn't have to be dangerous to other dogs or people to get that label. This is the SA rules on it.

    (2) A council may, on its own initiative or on application, make a Control (Dangerous
    Dog) Order, a Control (Menacing Dog) Order or a Control (Nuisance Dog) Order in
    relation to a dog if satisfied that—
    (a) the dog is dangerous, menacing or a nuisance; and
    (b) the dog has attacked, harassed or chased a person or an animal or bird owned
    by or in the charge of a person in circumstances that would constitute an
    offence against this Act.
    wording really crappy but if your dog attacks someone else's critter or wild life - it can be declared dangerous, and in another section - they can give a destruction order.

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    I think that council declares an animal dangerous to cover their own backs.. If those dogs eacape at a later date and injure a human, imagine the backlash council would get for not declaring it dangerous when it injured a cat etc. at least this way if something does happen, council are able to show that they've taken the necessary steps.

    What I think is unfair in this whole situation is that the cat owners will probably pay the $600 bill themselves as it's too hard to to claim it... It shouldn't have to be hard! The dogs owners should be offering to go to the vet and pay their bill for them, or at least half of it. The cat was still on its own property (fenced or unfenced), the cat owners should not be $600 out of pocket because someone else's dog got out and attacked it.

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    I do agree with Riley and Chubb that these people don't sound like very responsible dog owners and I hope that this will make them get their arses into gear. If I were the ranger in charge, I would've viewed them with suspicion too and come down on them like a ton of bricks. It wasn't their fault that the gate was left open - I've had it happen too - but if their dogs are going to get up to misschief like that, they should take extra care.
    If there is no law about cats having to be kept inside (down here we only have a couple of suburbs that have a no roaming cats policy applied), the fact that the cat was outside should have no bearing on this at all.

    I'm not sure about the dangerous dog label either though. There isn't much you can do about your dog wanting to chase cats if you don't have any yourself. General training probably helps a lot, but is no guarantee if you cannot test them with cats.

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    Hmm, bit of a grey area in my opinion. On the one hand, I think that dogs are dogs and I hope that they always will be dogs... By that I mean they are the descendants of a carnivorous, social hunter and only came into existence because of a prey drive that enabled them to feed themselves. Now when we first decided to start keeping dogs, that prey drive was considered a plus; they could help with hunting and vermin control. Now the exact same trait means that dogs are dangerous. Well yes I suppose they can be in the way that every carnivorous animal can be, but I would argue that it's not a specific individual behavioural problem, it's a dog species thing.

    So my vote 100% would be to punish the owners. Dogs are dogs, they're predators and if you want one you need to keep it safe. But is there anything wrong with these dogs that decided to chase a cat? My dog is extremely well trained with obedience titles etc but I can guarantee you that if I wasn't around and he saw a cat/rabbit/remote control car/horse/whatever he would chase it. My housemate once did let him out and I was just damn lucky that a dog person found him before he found anything else. And they don't have to bolt, there are cats living in every 2nd house, they just need to step out the front and they are surrounded by prey items.

    In my mind a dangerous dog is one who will attack people for no reason, for example if my dog had gotten out and then attacked the person who found him without provocation. That is dangerous. Prey drive needs to be controlled but to expect it to be completely absent, well maybe buy a herbivore?

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    A bit of a update ....

    Dog owner calls cat owner to apologize and offer to pay vet bill. Cat owner "you have 2 days to pay otherwise i'm taking you to court and will do everything in my power to get your dogs declared dangerous"

    Even wrote a ridiculous 'letter to the editor' in the local rag complaining about the "pitbulls that mauled our cat". She knows damn well they aren't pittys.

    The dog owners are willing to take full responsibility and pay for whatever but that dosnt seem good enough for the cat owner.

    I'm so glad i dont have anything to do with this situation. It's going to get ugly......real ugly.


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