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Thread: Staffy...... Full Breed or Mixed breed.........??

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    What would be a better option?????????? to buy a full breed English Staffy at extra cost?
    Or buy a mixed breed (part staffy) as a cheaper option??

    My friend bought his German Shepherd............ supposedly full breed and very expensive.......... The dog is now six years old and has had so many health problems its not funny.......... He has even spent $10,000 so far on operations and various medications.

    The dog had to have one hip replacement and now needs another one.............

    My question is........... Does buying a full breed dog guarantee the dog is cleared of any genetic problems????????

    Also I heard now the council can take a persons dog away if it even looks a little like a pit bull??????
    And that having papers for a full breed is proof and then the council can't take a persons dog?????

    Anyone know if this is correct????

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    Yes having correct ANKC (Australian National Kennel Council) pedigree papers can save your dog from misidentification as a Pitbull. Most purebred Staffords won't have that issue as they look quite different, but crossbreds certainly can. For American Staffordshire Terriers proper pedigree papers can certainly be a life saver as pitbulls can look very similar to that breed.

    No one can guarantee any dog is clear of all genetic problems. They are living things and nature is mysterious and unpredictable. What you get with a carefully bred purebred is a lower risk of such conditions.

    Just like if a human couple are healthy and have had lots of tests for genetic conditions etc. You would expect they would be likely to have a healthy child, but sometimes nature has other ideas. Breeding of anything has an element of gamble in it.

    Buying a mixed breed dog does not offer any reduction in risk for health problems, genetic or otherwise. "Hybrid Vigour" has been largely proven as a myth in crossbred dogs - as dogs are all the same species and different breeds share backgrounds and genetic material anyway.

    For me personally, with legislation on the increase and people regularly now having to fight authorities for their dog's lives - an unpapered bull breed crossbreed would simply not be worth the risk of heartache. I would be doing a stack of research, talking to breeders and finding one that I felt I could trust and seemed to care much more about their dogs than the price tag on any puppy.

    A dog is a massive investment - we usually have them for more than 10 years, we invest ourselves emotionally and physically as well as financially into them every day of those years. Yet people frequently find the quickest, easiest and cheapest way to buy one at the start.

    Like any important purchase in your life - research it extensively and do what it absolutely right for you.

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    Your safe in Sydney...or at least for now you are.

    If you buy a purebreed Staffy with papers you have proof its not a pitty....so no one can mess ya pooch.

    Purebreed dogs from a GOOD breeder ...not some tosser advertising in the local rag or m,arkest should be able to prove to you how good thier dogs are health wise before you even buy it. Thing is your mates GSD may have been a excellent healthy specimen but if it was feed a bad diet or exercised incorrectly when young then health issues will happen to any dog. Breeders can sell a dodgy dog, yes, but owners can also stuff up a perfectly healthy dog too.

    X breeds are a lotto...who knows what you'll get. My last X breed was supposedly Ridgeback X Rottwieller but he looked more like he had a bit of Staffy in him.

    I'd say suss out as many breeders as you can and get a well bred Staffy, fed it well, exercise it correctly and you'll be heade down the safest path.

    However ...if ya cant find a good breeder or want somthing cheaper.....then please, please go to your local RSPCA or dog rescue and choose one of thier Staffy crosses. Most of these places will already have alot of info on these dogs like health and temper issues so you'll have a fair idea what they will be like. The amount of Staffys i see on facebook from a rescue mob in sydney called 'Big dog rescue' is mindboggling. Suss em out. They seem like a good bunch. Good luck.


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    toni

    if you're going to get an xbreed staffy - there are lots and lots in the rescues RSPCA and AWL...

    Search medium puppies in NSW

    will cost you around $400 for a puppy already desexed - and you get the same health and temperament risks as if you buy something from a back yard breeder or off gumtree puppy mills.

    Otherwise get something that is ANKC registered.

    That's not the same as council registered.

    Your friend with the GSD - can ask their vet to submit the details to the LIDA database at NSW uni.
    LIDA Dogs - LIDA Dogs - Faculty of Veterinary Science - The University of Sydney

    You do research to make sure the breeder is ANKC as promised (ring up dogs NSW and check), go visit dog shows or the local Staffordshire Bull Terrier (SBT) club and meet some breeders and ask them about health problems to watch out for and find out who has the friendly happy dogs. Especially with other dogs. Note - if you call them "English Staffy" you will offend the breeder community and you will exclude all the responsible breeders in your searches. That's an American term not an Australian term for the breed.

    The biggest problem with the unregistered breeders - is temperament - a lot of dog aggressive bully type dogs come from the back yard breeders. You won't be able to take your dog anywhere or share the back yard with another dog or board it because it would be trying to kill all the other dogs it meets.

    SBTS of NSW inc

    And beware of the "rare blue" coloured SBT - they don't meet the breed standard which requires a black nose, and they often have horrendous skin problems for their whole lives. Especially when both the parents are blue. And yes there are ANKC registered breeders promoting those, for me that's a red flag -run away. If you really like that colour - get a Weimerana.

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    Nattylou............ Thanks so much for the info.... very helpful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Your safe in Sydney...or at least for now you are.

    If you buy a purebreed Staffy with papers you have proof its not a pitty....so no one can mess ya pooch.

    Purebreed dogs from a GOOD breeder ...not some tosser advertising in the local rag or m,arkest should be able to prove to you how good thier dogs are health wise before you even buy it. Thing is your mates GSD may have been a excellent healthy specimen but if it was feed a bad diet or exercised incorrectly when young then health issues will happen to any dog. Breeders can sell a dodgy dog, yes, but owners can also stuff up a perfectly healthy dog too.

    X breeds are a lotto...who knows what you'll get. My last X breed was supposedly Ridgeback X Rottwieller but he looked more like he had a bit of Staffy in him.

    I'd say suss out as many breeders as you can and get a well bred Staffy, fed it well, exercise it correctly and you'll be heade down the safest path.

    However ...if ya cant find a good breeder or want somthing cheaper.....then please, please go to your local RSPCA or dog rescue and choose one of thier Staffy crosses. Most of these places will already have alot of info on these dogs like health and temper issues so you'll have a fair idea what they will be like. The amount of Staffys i see on facebook from a rescue mob in sydney called 'Big dog rescue' is mindboggling. Suss em out. They seem like a good bunch. Good luck.
    Thankyou Sean......... good info.... yes I have seen all the dogs up for Adoption on FB and its terribly sad...

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    Thanks so much Hyacinth....... good info there......... well what are they actually called???????? is it just Staffy????????
    My dog who recently passed away had the most beautiful nature..... but I really don't think he was a full breed and he was from a so called responsible breeder.......... But neglected when we got him as a baby............. can buying from a registered breeder and a dog that is full pedigree really guarantee temperament??????

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    Toni their full name is "Staffordshire Bull Terrier". You don't need the "English" bit, as Staffordshire is in England so pretty self explanatory.

    The habit of using "English" in their name has come about to differentiate them from American Staffordshire Terriers, who confusingly have the word Staffordshire in there but don't come from Staffordshire... They come from the USA...

    All as clear as mud really!! But easy abbreviations are SBT and AST - or Staffords and Amstaffs.

    Many breed enthusiasts will call them "Staffords" rather than "Staffys" to try and distance themselves from the backyard bred crossbreds that get labelled called Staffys.

    If you look here you will find breeder and puppy listings: Staffordshire Bull Terrier - Breeders - Puppies - Australia

    In NSW the legislation restricts pitbulls and crosses - if your dog has no ANKC papers to prove otherwise but looks like a pitbull or pitbull cross you can be in trouble. A council can issue a "Notice of Intention" which notifies you that they are intending to declare your dog a "Restricted Breed" and that will mean you must comply with the legal requirements for keeping it (muzzled in public, specific housing etc).

    If you get issued a notice like this it falls to you to prove that your dog is not a pitbull or cross thereof and therefore not a restricted breed. This is where having no official papers for dogs falls down. You can have an assessment done by a qualified "Breed Assessor" as to the dog's breed, or you can have a temperament assessment done by a "Approved Temperament Assessor".

    Basically you are up for a whole lot of jumping through hoops, and forking out fees and charges with no guarantee that you will get a result in your favour. If your dog is declared restricted the keeping requirements are pretty tough.

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    Thanks for clearing that up Nattylou

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    The cost difference in buying a purebred Stafford from a good breeder will not be massive compared with BYB or crossbred dogs. The standard price from good breeders I found was $1000.

    If you're looking at a BYB/crossbred Stafford for say $500, what's another $500 to get certificates to prove the pups parents were free from the genetic conditions they can test for? It certainly doesn't take many vetbills to cost $500, or even $5000 if something is really wrong.

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