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Thread: Staffy...... Full Breed or Mixed breed.........??

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    No - having a purebreed does not mean it will be free of health problems. Good breeders get tests done to make sure some problems won't be present, but that's something I've heard a lot about too - 'purebred' dogs getting loads of hip and back problems, because of the extensive inbreeding breeders insist on doing to amplify the 'good' traits (usually something stupid like correct ear set or tail length - ridiculous). I have one purebred papered (14-15 months) and one purebred non-papered (I don't want to hear about 'if she's not papered, she's not purebred' - we thrashed that out in another thread), and I've had no problems with either of them (yet), with the latter going on 4 years old. I'm waiting to see with Rebel. Really it's just the luck of the draw - dogs have a massive, MASSIVE amount of genes, just like any other animal, and any one of them could go bad, whether they've been bred to "perfection" or not.

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    Purebred is not the same as (ANKC) pedigree.

    Inbreeding - is something you can check with a breeder who keeps records. If it's something you don't like - then you can choose to get your puppies a breeder who avoids it.

    (genetic) testing can help avoid some diseases. It's better than nothing. Good hip scores in both parents aren't a guarantee either - but that's a more subjective test, and depends on the eye of the analyst and the quality of the pictures they're looking at, and it isn't associated with specific genes (yet).

    Chocabloc Border Collies

    This page has a list. There is no excuse for mating two dogs that carry the TNS gene - it is a horrible way for a puppy to die. But if you don't test, you don't know.

    There is another problem in Border collies called "exercise induced collapse" which is also horrible. Ie after a short amount of exercise - the dog collapses in significant distress. And there's no way to treat it. I don't know if there is a genetic test for that, but if you know the dog's family history you can check that way. If it's a random farm dog or rescue - you can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Striker

    Purebred is not the same as (ANKC) pedigree.

    Inbreeding - is something you can check with a breeder who keeps records. If it's something you don't like - then you can choose to get your puppies a breeder who avoids it.

    (genetic) testing can help avoid some diseases. It's better than nothing. Good hip scores in both parents aren't a guarantee either - but that's a more subjective test, and depends on the eye of the analyst and the quality of the pictures they're looking at, and it isn't associated with specific genes (yet).

    Chocabloc Border Collies

    This page has a list. There is no excuse for mating two dogs that carry the TNS gene - it is a horrible way for a puppy to die. But if you don't test, you don't know.

    There is another problem in Border collies called "exercise induced collapse" which is also horrible. Ie after a short amount of exercise - the dog collapses in significant distress. And there's no way to treat it. I don't know if there is a genetic test for that, but if you know the dog's family history you can check that way. If it's a random farm dog or rescue - you can't.
    Unfortunately Striker has her head firmly buried in the sand and no amount of information will change her plans to breed mongrels which will likely see at least some of the pups put to death inside an animal shelter. These are the people who cause the problems and unfortunately they can't be told

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    Actually though , this post of Strikers does raise extremely valid points. For example the AmBulls and the OzBulls ( thiiiink about it )
    Having a purebred ANKC dog does not mean its free of genetic defect which is what they were trying to point out.
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    Honestly, I'm probably an advocate for mixed breeds over purebreds for health reasons, with one, very notable exception, Staffies. The exception is made based on the temperament of this breed. Staffies were bred to be incredibly reliable and friendly around people but not so great around dogs - if your dog has any staffy in it this is something you need to be aware of. I have reached down when a Staffy was trying to kill my dog and had the owner actually lie down on top of his dog, to stop it from being able to get to mine again and neither of us were injured. But if you buy a cross-breed with Staffy in it, I think you need to be super careful about what the other breed is. I see a lot of mastiff/staffy crosses and to me, this is one of the stupidest things you could do. You take a breed with probably the highest fight drive of any breed but with perhaps the lowest human aggression and you add in a guardian breed. So you now have the potential for a dog to have this high fight drive but possibly be dog AND human aggressive.

    I don't think many people can tell on sight whether a dog is a pure staffy/pitbull/whatever on sight and I'm not going to argue that the dogs described as Staffies that have attacked and/or killed people didn't have any Staffy in them. But it is my strong belief that in the cases where the dog hadn't been abused, they were likely mixed with something else.

    Staffies are a lovely breed in the right hands and from what I've seen they're one of the best for families. But they have been very selectively bred to have both the high fight drive and no human aggression and with that combination, I just wouldn't personally mess around with the breeding. You might have a few more health problems but you can probably avoid most of those by going to a registered breeder and viewing both the parents. It might also cost you a bit more but well bred Staffies live can live for a long time and given the good ones can be some of the best pets and the bad ones some of the worst, I think this is one case where it's really worth paying a bit more to get a lot more.

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    mixed breed is no guarantee of better health. You have just as much chance of getting the worst genetics from both parent breeds / species as the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    mixed breed is no guarantee of better health. You have just as much chance of getting the worst genetics from both parent breeds / species as the best.
    Sadly this is true. I have seen some terrible health issues in randomly bred crossbreds. I have had friends had to euthanaise several for this reason. Severe hip dysplasia and PRA being the main reasons. My mothers poodle mix has terrible allergy problems and has been plagued by skin and eye health issues from a puppy. I think my mother has tried every diet there is. I think a really good breeder will be very selective in their breeding choices and know exactly what will result in the best chance of a good dog. This is totally possible in a pedigreed dog. Sadly as usual there are always breeders who dont do the right thing and fads in the showring that are not in the best interest of the dog.

    I guess the breeders I know personally of pedigreed dogs are very rigorous in their health testings and mating selections as are the working breeders I know. They study the lines, know the the dogs generations back and are always chasing sound structure and vigour and good temperament..

    Just noticed this is a rather old thread.
    Last edited by Kalacreek; 02-14-2014 at 02:34 PM.

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