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    Did anyone watch the project tonight? They had a bit on the laws in Vic.. was actually a good section on BSL stating facts!

    After a vicious attack resulted in the death of a four year old in 2011, Victoria introduced the country’s toughest dog laws. Pitbulls were outlawed, meaning that they could be destroyed.

    But some experts and councils are saying restricted breed laws don’t work. And due to the difficulty of identifying breeds, some families are finding their innocent dogs effectively kidnapped by the local council.

    “Anyone can phone in anonymously and report a neighbour’s dog if you think a dog is a restricted breed,” says dog owner Chrystal Singh, “and unless it’s a Maltese poodle the dog will be taken away.”

    Chrystal has experienced the heart-wrenching consequences of the laws first hand. In July last year two council rangers turned up at her home while she was at work, and took her dog Chevy away.

    “She just gets into any car… so she went in not realising what was going on and they handed my son a letter and drove off.”

    “In court the ranger said he had half a day’s training. It drove me to tears- it was so heartbreaking knowing that there’s someone who took my child away from me and then they evaluated her without having the proper knowledge.”

    “There’s over 20 criteria to assess the dog,” says City of Monash Mayor Michaela Dreiberg.

    “There is no current DNA test, so it’s quite a complex process for council to identify a breed, but professionals are quite cautious of being involved.”

    Two Supreme Court decisions recently found separate councils had wrongly classified two dogs as pitbulls. The councils were ordered to pay over $200,000 in court costs.

    Victorian Agriculture Minister Peter Walsh said in a statement that the Government was examining the rulings.

    “If Victoria’s dangerous dog laws need tightening in order to allow councils to carry out their responsibilities and protect communities, we will do so,” the statement reads. “The safety of the community is our first priority.”

    Victoria is one of several states have laws that target dog breeds under the assumption that some dogs, such as pitbulls, are naturally aggressive. But experts say the way a dog is brought up plays a bigger role than its breed.

    “The argument about breed is flawed, it’s scientifically not based on any evidence at all,” says Kersti Seksel of the Australian Veterinarian Association. “Any jurisdiction that’s gone down this way has found that it hasn’t reduced the number of dog bites, it’s just increased the cost to the government.”

    The AVA says that despite NSW having breed selective legislation for over five years, state government figures show no reduction in attacks.

    Furthermore, pitbulls ranked beneath American staffies, Australian cattle dogs and Rottweilers in terms of which ‘breeds’ attack. Other studies show smaller dogs attack more but as their bites are less injurious they aren’t reported as much.

    “The qualities that make a dog dangerous are obviously size but the number one is has it been socialised or not?” says Berkeley University’s Dr Ian Dunbar. “And it doesn’t matter what the breed is, if it hasn’t been socialised then it can be extremely dangerous.”

    With councils in charge and no central body to track how many dogs are put down, it’s impossible to know how many restricted dogs have been put down since the law was beefed up in Victoria. Estimates range from 20 to over 100.

    In the end Chevy was lucky. After being locked up for four months, Chrystal won her battle to save her after hiring a dog expert who found she was mainly a Boxer, and not a restricted breed.

    “Any dog can attack, even Chevy could one day possibly do that, and that is why as an owner I’ve got to be responsible,” says Chrystal.

    “But a restricted breed is not the same as a dangerous dog. So it’s quite a silly law, and at the end of the day people with crossbred dogs that look big, we are just victimised for it.”

    “The law as it’s currently in place isn’t working,” says Mayor Dreiberg. “It’s complex, it’s making our job harder, so we’re calling for it to be simplified.”

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    I watched that! It made me angry that they discriminate on one breed. I believe they should be looking at how the owners raise the dogs rather than the dogs breed. Its unfair to declare a specific breed as aggressive, when how they are brought up determines how they will behave in certain situations. I believe that if the is a case of a dog attack, they should investigate the owners. I bet at least 9 out of 10 times the owners failed to socialize the dog and keep it within their yard, thus resulting in an attack.

    On Monday a 12 year old girl was mauled by a "pig dog" dog in my town. She underwent 12 hours of surgery. Of course the dog was immediately put down, but so far there hasn't been an investigation on the owners. I own a "pig dog" breed myself, and I find it hard enough to take her for a walk down the street or a run on the beach without people keeping well away from us, snatching their children away or giving us an evil glare because she is a hunting breed. She doesn't hunt. She has never bitten anyone. She loves children. And all she wants is a pat from all the people she meets. Of course they don't know this, they just see her big head, large body and massive paws and treat her like some kind of hell hound. If they keep up this discrimination I'm afraid that one day there will be a law that means I wont be able to take Juda for a walk without a muzzle etc because of people assuming she is aggressive. They shouldn't judge a dog by their breed.

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    Yeah i watched the show Jadie, was good to see they put some truth out there for the public to see.

    This just came through on my facebook news feed, on the Dogs on Trial DOT Victoria page (http://www.facebook.com/DogsOnTrialD...ria?ref=stream)

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    Seriously, have a look at the pictures of that dog, if that's a pitbull, i'm santa claus. Seems they're just out to kill dogs, regardless even of breed. I can only hope the owners have the funds/support to take whatever legal action required to fight this

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    Didn't watch it - 'jadielee87' - but had heaps of information coming through FB about it - so looked at things on-line.

    Finally - maybe - the truth will start coming out about this BSL - particularly in Victoria ! It will be a start anyway ! I have noticed in the news, that a few councils are putting pressure on the Vic Govt to - 'streamline the legislation' - whatever that means !

    A link that may be of interest:

    Saving Pets � Blog Archive � The Project – BSL video

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailmaster View Post
    I watched that! It made me angry that they discriminate on one breed. I believe they should be looking at how the owners raise the dogs rather than the dogs breed. Its unfair to declare a specific breed as aggressive, when how they are brought up determines how they will behave in certain situations. I believe that if the is a case of a dog attack, they should investigate the owners. I bet at least 9 out of 10 times the owners failed to socialize the dog and keep it within their yard, thus resulting in an attack.

    On Monday a 12 year old girl was mauled by a "pig dog" dog in my town. She underwent 12 hours of surgery. Of course the dog was immediately put down, but so far there hasn't been an investigation on the owners. I own a "pig dog" breed myself, and I find it hard enough to take her for a walk down the street or a run on the beach without people keeping well away from us, snatching their children away or giving us an evil glare because she is a hunting breed. She doesn't hunt. She has never bitten anyone. She loves children. And all she wants is a pat from all the people she meets. Of course they don't know this, they just see her big head, large body and massive paws and treat her like some kind of hell hound. If they keep up this discrimination I'm afraid that one day there will be a law that means I wont be able to take Juda for a walk without a muzzle etc because of people assuming she is aggressive. They shouldn't judge a dog by their breed.
    Yeah it makes me feel bad for the dogs, they don't understand why no one want to give them pats. I am lucky in that I have either never noticed or rarely come across people who are scared of mine. Although we did have one guy refuse to come in the house last weekend because the dogs were giving a very vocal hello. Lol all he ended up getting was covered in slobber and kisses!

    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    Yeah i watched the show Jadie, was good to see they put some truth out there for the public to see.

    This just came through on my facebook news feed, on the Dogs on Trial DOT Victoria page (http://www.facebook.com/DogsOnTrialD...ria?ref=stream)

    FREE BOBO | causes.com

    Seriously, have a look at the pictures of that dog, if that's a pitbull, i'm santa claus. Seems they're just out to kill dogs, regardless even of breed. I can only hope the owners have the funds/support to take whatever legal action required to fight this
    God that dog doesn't look like it has much bull breed in it at all... wtf is wrong with the ranger that brought that one in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    God that dog doesn't look like it has much bull breed in it at all... wtf is wrong with the ranger that brought that one in.
    I don't know the whole story, but given this dog will have been locked up for 12 months come march this year, I can only assume that VCAT has upheld the councils declaration.

    I wonder what options someone would have under civil litigation to take some of these councils to task, particularly in such blatant instances such as this?

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    It was surprisingly pro-dog! From a popular but fairly mainstream media show, that is a great boost for the cause. And how cute was that dog?!

    I personally would have liked to hear more about the circumstances in which the dog was taken. But the fact that they didn't get bogged down in details but got pretty much straight to the point was good for those who might need convincing.

    Let's hope we'll get lots more of these kind of media reports and that it has an effect on popular opinion and the politicians will follow. Because we all know that all they care about is votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    It was surprisingly pro-dog! From a popular but fairly mainstream media show, that is a great boost for the cause. And how cute was that dog?!

    I personally would have liked to hear more about the circumstances in which the dog was taken. But the fact that they didn't get bogged down in details but got pretty much straight to the point was good for those who might need convincing.

    Let's hope we'll get lots more of these kind of media reports and that it has an effect on popular opinion and the politicians will follow. Because we all know that all they care about is votes.
    Pretty much agree with you Beloz, except i would have liked to hear about how the dog got off?(Edit : just to clarify I agree that the details that we would have like to have heard would have probably cluttered the story) Unless it was one of the dogs which went through the supreme court, I can't understand how they got off and some others haven't

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    Good to see them show a responsible owner not some bogan as well! lol

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    I didn't watch the program but it's good to hear that at least someone in the media is on the dogs side. I truly hope that these people get their dogs back I couldn't imagine how awful it would be if someone took Banjo just because of his boof head.

    I just don't understand why governments can't see that education is the key to solving this. The world will be a better place when humans take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming it on the dog.

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