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Thread: The APBT, Breed Specific Legislation, and research (ricey's new thread)

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    The murder of 10 GSDs in the UK by the R$PCA is a fact and don't think it doesn't happen here, so your comment "just a load of emotive crap" is offensive to all GSD owners I wonder would you say the same if it were 10 APBTs sounds like you work for the R$PCA. Anyone who owns a Bull breed, GSD, Rottie or any breed for that matter should have nothing to do with them ever. They are dog killers and only care about Money and that's a fact, and that's all I have to say in this thread.
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    I guess this thread has lost it's way again... just like the other one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogman View Post
    The murder of 10 GSDs in the UK by the R$PCA is a fact and don't think it doesn't happen here, so your comment "just a load of emotive crap" is offensive to all GSD owners I wonder would you say the same if it were 10 APBTs sounds like you work for the R$PCA. Anyone who owns a Bull breed, GSD, Rottie or any breed for that matter should have nothing to do with them ever. They are dog killers and only care about Money and that's a fact, and that's all I have to say in this thread.
    Dogman, I don't work for the RSPCA but I'd still have to say that the youtube video you posted was just sensationalist emotive crap without substance. I'm sorry if that offends you but that is how I saw it.

    If the RSPCA in the UK is is responsible for killing 10 GSD's, that really is not really all that relevant to Australia. With the exception of the shared name, there is no actual link between the RSPCA in the UK and the RSPCA in Australia. Neither organisation has any control over the actions of the other. They are separate entities.

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    so your comment "just a load of emotive crap" is offensive to all GSD owners I wonder would you say the same if it were 10 APBTs sounds like you work for the R$PCA.
    I'd have to say that the RSPCA in Australia has been responsible for killing far more than 10 APBT's. But the RSPCA's official position has changed and I really would recommend you should stop living in the past and harbouring your grudges. In recent history (the last 20 years or so), my chosen breed has been treated far worse by the Australian RSPCA than your chosen breed, but things have changed at a national level and certainly at a state level here in WA.

    I want this thread to stick to the facts about American Pit Bull Terriers and BSL as documented by research; not to be about our personal gripes regarding the perceived injustices regarding our favourite breeds. This is my last post on your subject. I am just going to continue posting research articles and I have chosen not to be side tracked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pawfectionist View Post
    I guess this thread has lost it's way again... just like the other one...

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    Aint that the truth?

    I am not going to post again until I have found another research article that contributes something to this debate. My intention when starting this thread was to take the heat out of the argy bargy by just sticking to the facts as supported by research. I can see now that I was a bit naive......

    However, I am not going to post again until I can quote from a research article. Really I do not care whether the research article supports my views on the APBT and BSL or not. I just want it to be validated research, not our personal opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy.Maree View Post
    I got both my dogs from the RSPCA after they were surrendered, they both play-bite and jump up and one is ball obsessed while the other was extremely sick, emaciated and aggressive towards human males. Yet they were both given a chance.

    You must remember that the RSPCA does not have never-ending dog keeping facilities and most the time they can only take in a limited number of dogs, it's in their best interest, and future dogs best interests that they fill their shelters with the most 'likeable' animals so they can have a higher turnover rate and thus give more animals a second chance. Don't get me wrong, I love all dog breeds and have nothing against pit bulls and disagree with BSL, but some breeds are just not as 'popular' as others so in the time it takes to rehome one pit bull or rotti (I love them but they just aren't as well received by the public as labs, spaniels etc), they could rehome two or three of the more 'popular' breeds, I have a tendency to browse the RSPCA rescue site daily and see it happen quite often.
    All of us would love to save every abandoned, abused, mistreated, sick and homeless animal we came across, including the RSPCA, but unfortunately it is just not possible. So if you were in the same situation as the RSPCA , what 'system' would you use to decide who gets to stay and who has to go?

    Everyone has their own opinions, but the way I see it, the local RSPCA has given both my dogs a second chance as well as a lot of the dogs we play with at the park, so in my eyes, they've made a positive difference. What's that saying you hear a lot of people say? "As long as I've made a difference to one life, it's all worth it" ?

    OK KM , I will concede some of what you say but 'what if' your dogs were a different breed? Let's say...I don't know...an APBT or a Rottie for example. I'd almost bank anything on those breeds with the same issues ever seeing the outside again.

    Sorry Ricey, no study/research to back that up ( though there probably is out there) , only my own personal experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    OK KM , I will concede some of what you say but 'what if' your dogs were a different breed? Let's say...I don't know...an APBT or a Rottie for example. I'd almost bank anything on those breeds with the same issues ever seeing the outside again.
    Yes that's a fair point, but I don't think the RSPCA should be blamed and criticized for it. It sorta goes back to what I said earlier, labradors with behavioural issues are probably (no scientific data) still more 'adoptable' than rotti's or APBT's with the same behavioural issues; and I think public awareness is the key to 'fixing' this. Maybe I'm a bit naive, but I will admit that had Molly been a rotti or any bigger, stronger breed, I probably would've thought harder about adopting a dog with those behavioural issues.

    As Ricey has been saying, the RSPCA differs throughout states but I also think that each individual shelter is different, our local one is really great! I haven't seen any APBTs come into the shelter so I can't comment (and I don't think it's because they are all PTS, I just don't think there are many around- in the 3yrs I have lived here, I have only seen maybe 2 dogs that resembled APBTs) but there is a lady who comes to our park with an older rotti who is extremely dog agressive (the owner is working on it), she's had him a few months and adopted him from the local RSPCA so he was given a chance by them dispite his 'issues' and age.

    I found the 2010-2011 report from the RSPCA giving all their statistics etc (will post at the end) and 55% of all dogs euthanised were for behavioural issues, so it's obviously very common (and heartbreaking) but looking at it from an RSPCA point of view, if they were to rehome a dog with behavioural issues, and that dog ended up seriously injuring or killing somebody, who would be liable? The current owner or would it go back to the RSPCA for not euthanising a 'dangerous' dog? Unfortunately the report does not go into detail about the dog breeds, or even sizes, which would have been quite interesting to read. However, I still find it hard to believe that dogs are euthanised for chasing a ball...

    Rather than blaming the RSPCA for euthanising so many dogs, regardless if their reasons behind it are right or wrong, the finger should instead be pointed at the previous owners of those dogs who allowed them to end up in that situation in the first place. Maybe the RSPCA are euthanising way too many dogs, and maybe they are biased about the dog breeds, but at least they are saving more dogs than would be saved if they weren't around...

    Link to the report: http://www.rspca.org.au/assets/files...20%2011.11.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    OK KM , I will concede some of what you say but 'what if' your dogs were a different breed? Let's say...I don't know...an APBT or a Rottie for example. I'd almost bank anything on those breeds with the same issues ever seeing the outside again.

    Sorry Ricey, no study/research to back that up ( though there probably is out there) , only my own personal experience.
    Hi Chopp, I'm not about to disagree with you here and I'm not a moderator so ultimately I have no control over anything anyone posts on this thread LOL. Of course, I think I'd make a damn fine moderator, and I have had some experience as a moderator on an American Pit Bull Terrier forum..........(that's my resume for the job of moderator LOL)

    But at least here in WA the RSPCA seems to be giving the APBT a fair go. Again, I have no research articles to support this and all I can do is point you to their dogs for rehoming web site which lists a pit bull cross, "AmStaff" crosses , rotties, bull arabs, GSD crosses, dobermans, et al. All the dog breeds that Australians have been schooled to fear for the last 50 years are up for adoption on the WA RSPCA 'dogs for rehoming' web site.

    And all have passed the WA RSPCA's temperament testing. Again, I have no research articles to back this up, but I'd hazard a guess that the WA RSPCA does not use the same temperament test that the Vic and NSW RSPCA use. Just look at the dog breeds they have up for rehoming. There is no way that RSPCA Vic or NSW are going to list a pit bull cross, are they? And that is sad.

    As I said previously, I never thought that I'd ever actively be defending the RSPCA, but here in WA they seem to not only have changed their spots but they are actively doing whatever they can to prove that they have changed.

    I don't work for the RSPCA (just a member, and my membership is a little out of date so I'll be sending them some money soon) and there are many things that the RSPCA WA get wrong, but Lynne Bradshaw is doing a good job of steering them at both a state and national level. Like all big organisations they have individual employees who are arse holes who should be sacked but the RSPCA has in my view turned the corner (at least in WA). Of course, if they show by their actions that they have not improved, I reserve the right to recommence slagging off at them.

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