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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosh View Post
    Unfortunately yes, due to your genes you would still be prone to alcoholism although maybe not as much. Both nature and nurture play a part. Studies were done on monkeys that steal drinks from holiday resorts, and the proportions of heavy drinkers, moderate drinkers, and non-drinkers were about the same as in humans. Genes have a huge influence on how your life turns out.
    thats the biggest load of hog wash ive ever read...... and thats saying somthing considering ive read most of this thread......

    alcoholism isnt genitic, its a social issue.....

    back on topic, no puppy, or person for that matter is born bad..........
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    mosh, you have reiterated my case in another thread

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    Very young puppies aren't capable of aggression.
    so at what point does the switch go on and they become aggresive?
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    reyzor- there is heaps of info re genetic link to alcoholism- use google, and heres a starting point:
    Alcoholism - Is Alcoholism Inherited?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reyzor View Post
    thats the biggest load of hog wash ive ever read...... and thats saying somthing considering ive read most of this thread......

    alcoholism isnt genitic, its a social issue.....

    back on topic, no puppy, or person for that matter is born bad..........
    I'm afraid there is a genetic component, like many other addictive behaviours. It is definitely a social issue but there's strong evidence to suggest that genes play a large part.

    Family, twin and adoption studies have shown that alcoholism definitely has a genetic component. In 1990, Blum et al. proposed an association between the A1 allele of the DRD2 gene and alcoholism. The DRD2 gene is the first candidate gene that has shown promise of an association with alcoholism (Gordis et al., 1990). Alcoholism - Is Alcoholism Inherited?
    A controversial research project that involves giving alcohol to 1,000 green vervet monkeys has found that the animals divide into four main categories: binge drinker, steady drinker, social drinker and teetotaller.

    The vast majority are social drinkers who indulge in moderation and only when they are with other monkeys - but never before lunch - and prefer their alcohol to be diluted with fruit juice.

    Fifteen per cent drink regularly and heavily and prefer their alcohol neat or diluted with water. The same proportion drink little or no alcohol.

    Five per cent are classed as "seriously abusive binge drinkers". They get drunk, start fights and consume as much as they can until passing out. As with humans, most heavy drinkers are young males, but monkeys of both sexes and all ages like a drink. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/s...-on-binge.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by reyzor View Post
    mosh, you have reiterated my case in another thread

    so at what point does the switch go on and they become aggresive?
    Usually during or just after puberty, just like humans. Hormones are a powerful thing.

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    sorry but im gonna disagree with you..... (surprise surprise)......... you take a kid from alcholic parents and grandparents and raise him as a jew or muslim with no alsohol, he isnt going to be an alcoholic........

    same with dogs, take a puppy from a fighting dog, raise it, love it, nuture it, it wont fight.......

    genetics and instics are 2 different things......
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    Quote Originally Posted by reyzor View Post
    sorry but im gonna disagree with you..... (surprise surprise)......... you take a kid from alcholic parents and grandparents and raise him as a jew or muslim with no alsohol, he isnt going to be an alcoholic........

    same with dogs, take a puppy from a fighting dog, raise it, love it, nuture it, it wont fight.......

    genetics and instics are 2 different things......
    No, he is LESS LIKELY to be an alchoholic than he would be if he stayed in an alcoholic environment. However he is MORE LIKELY to be an alcoholic than someone raised in the same environment who doesn't have the genes for alcoholism. Similarly a dog with the genes for aggression is more likely to be aggressive than a dog without those genes, even if both are raised in the same environment.

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    Addiction is definitely in your DNA so are aggressive behavioral problems and other disorders ie hording

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    have you ever wondered why poorer social areas have higher rates of adiction? COS OF THE SOCIAL AREA.......not cos of their genitc make up......

    like i said, no puppy or human is born bad, they have these things taught to them.......

    instinct is different, its instict for a dog not to shit where it sleeps, its taught behanviour (or lack of teaching) that makes it fight etc.......
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    elle i see in your pic you have a labrador........... reckon you could strap a harness to it and give it to a blind person?
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    I'm going to have to agree with Reyzor. I didn't grow up in a very nice town or very nice household for that matter so I have seen it all. My sisters father is a drug addict and alcoholic however my sister has never touched drugs and could count the number of drinks she has had on her right hand. So if it were up to DNA she should probably be a raging alcoholic by now. I have seen many people grow up in similar houses and have not turned into alcoholics either.

    You put a puppy into an aggressive violent household it is more than likely going to turn into a dog with behavioural issues (the same as children) you put a puppy into a loving household and it will more than likely be a well behaved dog.

    Social factors play a far more important role (with both puppies and humans) than DNA I think.

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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