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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    Here's a nice story about the Michael Vick dogs :

    Rescued Michael Vick Dogs Reunited 5 Years Later - ABC News
    Thanks for posting this; it shows that even the less than 1% of pit bulls used for fighting are just dogs, like any other dog. They need a caring owner, love and support like any other dog. 7 out of 7 have Canine Good Citizen certificates; 3 are therapy dogs in hospitals and children’s literacy programs.

    But hold on; these are fighting dogs so they must be more dangerous that other breeds, right? Wrong; they are just dogs.

    ricey
    The APBT is the best of the best dogs (but it is just a dog, like any other breed of dog)

    My avatar? It's a pit bull in a poodle suit (a bit like me really)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    Maybe both of you should play the ball and not the man?
    Tell me about it; I really am trying to keep this at a polite level.

    ricey
    The APBT is the best of the best dogs (but it is just a dog, like any other breed of dog)

    My avatar? It's a pit bull in a poodle suit (a bit like me really)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    Tell me about it; I really am trying to keep this at a polite level.

    ricey
    I'm far from an angel when it comes to internet forum arguments(although I do believe i'm improving lol) but the secret(shhhhh!!!) is to not respond in a personal manner. Attack the opposing argument not the poster putting forth that view ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    I'm far from an angel when it comes to internet forum arguments(although I do believe i'm improving lol) but the secret(shhhhh!!!) is to not respond in a personal manner. Attack the opposing argument not the poster putting forth that view ...
    You are preaching to the choir LOL
    The APBT is the best of the best dogs (but it is just a dog, like any other breed of dog)

    My avatar? It's a pit bull in a poodle suit (a bit like me really)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    LOL @ Mosh!

    Just once, I'd hope that you had chosen to answer calmly, rather than relying on personal attacks. You really should go back and re-read your posts to me; any reasonable person would assess your posts as being far more vitriolic and certainly more intentionally hurtful than mine.
    Oh poor poor Ricey, forever the innocent victim who did nothing at all to deserve these vicious personal attacks. You just proved my point, you hypocrite. You can dish it out, but you can't take it. It's pathetic.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    I had the good grace to apologise on my thread for saying things in haste after I'd had a particularly difficult day. You chose to use my apology as if it was a weakness that somehow entitled you to attack me.
    No, I saw your post for what it was - a tantrum because you thought not enough people were paying attention to you. It doesn't matter whether you apologized or not, just the fact that the post exists speaks worlds about you and your mindset.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    You seem to rely solely on the ad hominem arguement, and I suggest that you should actually just try to answer the arguement.

    All this effort put in by you to belittle me; I really wonder what your motivation is.

    Regards,

    ricey
    Again with the cringing hypocrisy. You have no argument. I'm not on a "crusade". I don't support BSL. The opinion I have put forth on this thread is that powerful dogs are not for the average shmuck who knows nothing about dogs - which if you're sensible, I'm sure you'd agree with this.

    If you were honest and not needlessly combative in every single post you make, you'd notice I'm not making "sweeping statements" because I preface all of my subjective comments with "in my experience". I don't claim to be a dog expert, I'm just someone who sees a lot of screwed up animals as a result of neglect and mishandling. Some I'm able to fix, some are beyond help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    I'm far from an angel when it comes to internet forum arguments(although I do believe i'm improving lol) but the secret(shhhhh!!!) is to not respond in a personal manner. Attack the opposing argument not the poster putting forth that view ...
    Well, have you noticed it was all going very civilly and politely until Ricey decided to join the thread. Something like 20 pages and nobody had used a single ad hominem. Notice how he constantly uses ad hominems and then denies it? Sorry mate but I'm out of this thread - no matter what I say, this fanatic is going to find a way of making me his enemy, just like he's done with so many people before me.

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    Oh - Please - 'Mosh' and 'Ricey' - please 'Ladies' (??????? ) - truce - pleeeeease !

    We all can't agree on everything, otherwise there would be no discussions and it would be a very boring world !

    So - C'mon:

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    Don't make me have to use this:

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    I am really learning heaps from these two particular threads. Most importantly, how others think and feel about these issues ! These issues are very very relevant for each and every one of us and our pups.

    Sooooo - can we move on - play the ball and discuss the particular areas on these 2 threads - pleeeease !

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    Maybe both of you should play the ball and not the man?

    Who's playing with their balls now???????


    Whooooooaaaaaaaa fellas. Easy now.

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    While a pitbull IS just a dog, I'm afraid to say I agree with Mosh's principle of the post.

    Yes, a pitbull is just a dog. But if a prospective dog owner came onto the thread and said the are afraid of dogs that jump and lick, I would be concerned for their ability to be a strong leader to ANY large strong breed, not just a pit bull.

    Don't get me wrong, I think BSL is bull shit and that people like the OP are concerned because they have a "pitbull", not a "strong powerful dog" are ignorant, but we also need to consider that a pitbull isn't for everyone.

    Here's my question though. People cry pit bull all the time without it actually being a pit bull. Reneighb, Do you have a picture of the dog?

    I don't suggest talking them out of the dog. I strongly suggest becoming great friends with your neighbours and help them socialise their new dog, whatever breed it may be. If it's not properly socialised, trained and exercised, regardless of the breed, it will piss you off at night barking or crying or it will fence fight or run the fence with your dogs barking when in the yard or it will bark at birds and other animals during the day when outside, or it will trying to play/attack your when it sees you due to overexcitement or fear.

    And I can honestly say that MyMateJack is right. I'd be worried about them having a little fluffy and not training it just as much as any pitbull type breed. Those things can be vicious!!

    pitbull.jpg - socialised DOG
    bite.jpg - unsocialised DOG

    ETA: No, I didn't read everyone's 30+ page posts and by the sounds of the last page, I'm glad. Arguments are meant to have a point. It's like debating, not verbal abuse. Perhaps we all need to keep this in mind. Points and rebutle! Points and rebutle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosh View Post
    I got the impression from pit bull websites, most of which admit they are not trustworthy with other dogs. And the name means nothing - it's even possible they were called "nanny dogs" to offset their poor reputation. I'm not trying to argue that there are no nice pitbulls, or that they are all bad. I don't think in black and white like that. I am aware that there will be docile, friendly, safe pitbulls.

    What I am saying is that they are MORE LIKELY to display certain behaviour - out of a sample population of 1000 pitbulls, it's very likely that a higher proportion of them will be classified as "dangerous" compared to a sample of 1000 staffies or boxers or labradors or weimaraners or beagles. Part of this is due to their size and power. Part of it is due to their history as a breed and how each breeding pair has been selected. Part of it would be the type of people who own them and how they are raised.


    Why not? I'd trust most of the dogs I know not to fight. I'd trust a few of them with small children 6 years old and over. Generally speaking, most dogs will do whatever they can to avoid a fight.


    My opinion is based on the fact that the pitbull is a fighting breed. Breeds that are designed to fight and guard, are more likely to be territorial and aggressive. I've seen a lot of emotional arguments that pitbulls are the most wonderful dogs ever, and the opposing view that they are the most dangerous and vicious dogs, but none of these arguments have convinced me.

    As far as I'm concerned they are a powerful breed that, like many other breeds, are prone to aggressive behaviour, require more effort to keep them balanced, and are less likely to make good house pets. The difference is that all the dogs that are rated as more aggressive than the pitbull, are smaller and less powerful. The dacshund is rated as number 1 most aggressive, but I would rather be attacked by a dacshund for obvious reasons. Tellingly, while they are not rated as the most aggressive dogs, the pitbull and rottweiler are most likely to kill people, being responsible for nearly 70% of dog bite fatalities or about a third each. It's pretty solid evidence that you're more likely to die if attacked by either of these breeds, while if you're attacked by a dacshund or border collie you're only going to be moderately injured.

    This popular opinion everyone seems to have that powerful fighting breeds like Pitbulls are no different to any other breed seems to be based on emotion, not facts and reality. We know that dogs are bred for different purposes. We know that a dog bred for a particular purpose is more likely to try to fulfill that purpose. We know that some breeds make better house pets than others. We have no problem acknowledging that breeds like greyhounds are more likely to chase things, bulldogs are more likely to be stubborn, jack russells are more likely to be bossy and fearless, mini poodles are more likely to be highly strung, etc etc. So why the resistance and denial when it comes to acknowledging that a dog bred for fighting and guarding is more likely to be aggressive? It's unrealistic to only attribute positive characteristics to breeds without also acknowledging the negative characteristics.

    I just don't get the attitude that every breed is prone to breed behavior EXCEPT the breeds that are designed and selected for guarding and fighting. It all seems very emotional and illogical to me.
    THIS! couldnt of said it better myself

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