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    Again, what facts ?

    Are you seriously expecting me to swallow good old Wikky as your 'fact' provider?
    You do realise don't you that I could go over to Wikky right now and put on that Pit page that in fact they are certainly not the most aggressive and lethal canine and it would be so.

    Sorry, when you said facts, I thought you meant real facts.

    Please tell me you don't still believe that they have 'locking' jaws ?
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    Pfft. Nice "facts". Not.

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    I have to say I find Wikipedia actually quite useful and use it quite a bit for my research at work. Not so much for the actual entries but the linked sources are often not bad. This particular wiki entry lists or quotes also some quite interesting studies, such as "Pit Bull Placebo": http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil...%20Placebo.pdf

    Also interesting (and quoted in the article) is the ASPCA's comment on how the media reports on dog attacks: ASPCA | Pit Bull Bias in the Media

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    Just love this :

    Along with over-reporting, false reporting is a major contributor to the public relations nightmare currently facing pit bulls. There is an emerging tendency for all short-haired, stocky dogs to be called pit bulls—and when a dangerous dog’s breed is unknown, the media is not above assuming that the dog involved must have been a pit bull.

    AMEN!!!

    Oh and Margoo, re Wikky , sorry , but I just dont find its facts,factual enough lol
    Though I admit there are at times good offshoot links.
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    I use wiki mainly to find an explanation for terminology I don't understand.

    That article did mention "Other studies" with completely different conclusions. But lots of people probably don't read that far. You can prove anything with stats if you're not too fussy about their validity...

    I have read reports on dog attacks where one person describes the dog as a pit bull and another describes the exact same dog as an acd cross or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goindeep View Post
    That is an interesting point of view. Most of the facts that I have read state that they are probably the most agressive and lethal canine: Pit bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I personally have no major issue with them. They are an animal. No different to a lion or an elephant. I just think that we need to take extreme caution with this species of canine, training, more training, proper breeding, raising them in non violent environments etc.

    But to deny the facts is a little bit backwards dont you think?

    Hi goindeep,

    You joined yesterday and you already have 22 posts! And you are advertising your 'buy or sell a greyhound and related paraphernalia' web-site here! Whoa! That's brave (in the meaning of brave that is used by Sir Humphrey Appleby).

    Plus you are prepared to call the American Pit Bull Terrier a separate species. Without meaning to cause you offence, I would suggest that it is you who needs to check their facts; even Wikipedia accepts that the APBT is a member of the species canis lupus familiaris.

    You have stepped into a debate where a lot of this ground has been turned over and settled. All dogs of all breeds require
    training, more training, proper breeding, raising them in non violent environments etc.
    American Pit Bull Terriers are no different in this regard than greyhounds or corgis for example. All dogs require this. I'd suggest that you should go back and read all 29 pages of this thread, as anything you contribute to this thread would be improved for doing that.

    they are probably the most agressive and lethal canine
    You are kidding, right? You are just saying this stuff to get a rise out of us, yes? You obviously have not read Karen Delise's book "Fatal Dog Attacks' which scientifically destroys your belief position.

    I'd suggest that you really need to distinguish facts from beliefs or fantasy.

    Anyway, welcome to the Dog Forum.

    Cheers,
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    Well done Ricey! Great post made with much more restraint then I could muster which is why I left the computer for a bit
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    There's some NSW stats here
    Dog Attack Reporting - Department of Local Government

    Unfortunately they do confuse things by sorting the attacks by % of breed that attacks - so there are some breeds that are quite rare near the top of the list. I'd like to see a list where they show only dogs with more than 5000 registered, and sorted by number of attacks on humans and maybe include the % of breed that attacks.

    We don't get from that list - why the dogs attack - tho it does say that 60% of reported attacks are in public places. I'd like to know - how many of the hospitalised people were attacked in a public place (and not their back yard).

    And clearly reporting of attacks is very biased out of proportion to the dogs that attack most often and the most popular dogs that also attack. I've got one - ACDx - but they were bred to "heel" or nip. So how many reported attacks were a "nip" as opposed to ripping flesh.

    BTW - I think it's time we started a new thread on the topic. This one has wandered off the original topic.

    goindeep - if you really don't want to start arguments - don't post inflamatory unsupported opinions as "facts". Labradors bite too.

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    Hi Hyacinth,

    Yes, I agree.

    I have started a new thread and here is the link:

    http://www.dogforum.com.au/bsl-dog-l...tml#post185778

    Cheers,

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    I'm going to respond here because I didn't want to do it in a post about what breed to get.

    They are interesting reports Hya but confusing in light of this and the other discussion on breed and aggression. What bothers me most is that they lump attacks on humans and animals together. Over half of the attacks they refer to in the breakdowns per breed were attacks on animals. That includes livestock, cats, dogs and other pets. Sure, in an ideal world everyone would have enough control over their dog to prevent them from killing any kind of animal, but a dog killing the neighbor's chook is really a very different scenario to them biting a child in the park!

    I also noticed that half of the attacks on humans resulted in no injury. No explanation as to whether that means they fought the dog off before he could bite or whether they might have simply misinterpreted his body language and he never actually intended to bite. Another quarter resulted in minor injuries. A bite is a bite but my old dog once nipped my 3yo because she pinned her down and I thought she bloody deserved it and considered it more a warning than aggression.

    I'm also disappointed that they don't at all explain what 'under control' means. Is it on lead or including voice control. Or should I assume that most of these dogs were out on their own, which then would also make it about which dogs are more prone to being escape artists or have irresponsible owners who don't care if they get out.

    And as mentioned, people are notoriously bad at identifying breeds.

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