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  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by Mosh View Post
    If your neighbours are terrified of your dogs, it sounds like they would not be able to handle a pitbull. Despite what people may say, a pitbull is not "just a dog", they require a LOT of effort, exercise, and training, and even then it will not be 100% trustworthy around children and other dogs. When the pro-pitbull website run by people who love pitbulls says "never trust your pitbull not to fight", you know that this is not a breed that makes a good house pet. I understand your concern and I would be just as concerned in your position.
    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    Really Mosh? A pit bull IS just a dog. They require work just like any other DOG.
    As jadie said. pit bull is just a dog
    any other breeds can be a fighting dog - back in the days they use most of the bully breeds and mastiff breeds
    so saying that "never trust your pitbull not to fight" I guess its should say "Never trust the owners that will make their dogs fight" right?

    FOR OP
    Anyhow - If you are really concern about it - go talk to them and personally ASK THEM are you be able to be RESPONSIBLE owner and provide
    all requirements of their dog? if they cannot answer then they might find it hard to own one, but you can educate them from what you gather from here and from the web try to support not against.
    Last edited by pbk1776; 09-05-2012 at 03:19 PM.

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    Oct 2010
    Southern NSW


    Any dog can be turned into an aggressive dogs.....Even the lovely Golden retriever or Newfoundland dog. It is just that those breeds do not appeal to people who want an aggressive dog, so mostly it is the "type" (Pitbull, Bull Arab, Rottie and such) of dog that is "trained" (said tongue in cheek.....not trained at all and not socialised)to become the dangerous dog. Any dog of any breed if well socialised and trained will be just a dog
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  3. #13
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    Oct 2009
    Rural NSW


    It really does matter what sort of training the dog gets and also sometimes dogs of ANY breed can be a wrong one..just like some humans can be.

    The ACD cross breeds that I have now (last one was pure breed) can be trained as vicious guard dogs, Fantastic working dogs, never inside or such gentle inside/outside loving and devoted companion dogs.

    I think the same can apply to many breeds of dog, within reason.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by reneighb View Post
    I'm in Sydney Australia, what laws and regulations are there for this breed. I don't know very much. I know it is a restricted breed but I'm not to sure about anything else. Could anyone tell me. PS THESE NEIGHBORS ARE TERRIFFIED OF MY (lick you to death) DOGS AND THEY HAVE BOUGHT A VERY SOON TO BE BIG AND POWERFUL BREED. I need to talk them out of this :/
    I am only responding to the highlighted.

    The laws in NSW can be found on the NSW department of Local government (DLG) website.

    If, in the opinion of a Council officer, they believe a dog may be of a Restricted Breed type as outlined in paragraph 1.(d.)(ii), the officer can issue a Notice of Intention (NOI) to Declare a Dog as a Restricted Breed type dog.

    The NOI requires the owner to contact the DLG to engage the services of an approved breed assessor to assess the dog’s breed. There are three possible outcomes of this process:
    The animal is assessed as not being a restricted breed or cross restricted breed type dog and no further action is taken.
    The animal is assessed as a restricted breed type dog and the animal is declared restricted.
    The animal is assessed as a cross breed of a restricted breed type dog. The owner can then have the dog temperament assessed, by a DLG approved temperament assessor, and if the dog passes this test the dog is deemed not to be a restricted breed type dog and no further action is taken. However, if the dog fails the temperament assessment, the dog is declared as a restricted breed type dog.

    If, following the breed assessment process, a dog is assessed as a restricted breed type dog, Council will issue the owner with a determination letter declaring the dog as a restricted breed type dog which provides the owner with timeframes by which they must comply with the legislative control requirements found in paragraph 3.
    Council Officers then monitor compliance by way of inspections and, given there are cost implications to owners, if necessary extensions to the time frames for compliance are granted.
    If after the required timeframes and any extensions the owner, fails to or refuses to comply with the requirements the dog can be seized and either held while compliance is met or euthanased.
    If the owner complies with the requirements Council Officers carry out inspections at 6 monthly intervals to verify compliance.

    Legislative Control Requirements
    Regardless of a dog being declared as dangerous or a restricted breed, the following control requirements require owners of dangerous or restricted breed dogs to comply with the following:
    Dogs must be kept in a childproof enclosure, while the dog is on the property on which the dog is ordinarily kept.
    The enclosure must be constructed to meet requirements as prescribed in the Companion Animal Amended Regulations.
    Dogs must wear a distinctive red and yellow striped collar at all times. The collar must be of the kind prescribed by the Regulations.
    Dogs must be under effective control of a competent person (over 18) and be leashed and muzzled when the animal is outside of its childproof enclosure.
    Dogs must be de-sexed.
    "Warning Dangerous Dog" signs must be displayed on the property where the dog is normally kept.
    In addition, once a dog is declared as restricted or dangerous, it is prohibited to:
    allow the dog to breed with another dog.
    sell or transfer ownership (give away) the dog.
    accept ownership of the dog.
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  5. #15
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    Aug 2011


    Quote Originally Posted by Mosh View Post
    If your neighbours are terrified of your dogs, it sounds like they would not be able to handle a pitbull. Despite what people may say, a pitbull is not "just a dog", they require a LOT of effort, exercise, and training, and even then it will not be 100% trustworthy around children and other dogs. When the pro-pitbull website run by people who love pitbulls says "never trust your pitbull not to fight", you know that this is not a breed that makes a good house pet. I understand your concern and I would be just as concerned in your position.
    You are not supposed tot trust any dog 100% around kids (which is why the experts' advice is to always supervise!) I don't know where you got the impression that PBTs are less trustworthy with kids than other dogs? These dogs used to be called "nanny dogs" for god's sake! And you can never trust any dog not to fight! It's not because you read it on a pro-PBT website that it is specific to that breed.

    Your opinion does not at all seem based on facts. Which kind of surprises me from you, to be honest.

    And I don't know about anyone else, but I really don't like people calling them red-nosed pit bulls. As if it is some dangerous variety of the breed or something? Don't they all have red noses anyway? Why mention it?

    PS: I don't own a pitbull nor do any of my friends (though one is fostering a possible pitbull x).
    Last edited by Beloz; 09-05-2012 at 02:48 PM.

  6. #16
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    Jun 2011


    I'm not a big lover of the pit bull dog. Main reason is that the 'breed' is in trouble and finding a good quality well bred dog is difficult. Would I be entirely happy if one moved in next door, no I wouldn't.

    Have I met them, yep plenty, have I minded them in boarding, yep plenty, have I had to train them, yep plenty. And sadly many these days are prone to fear aggression. Can other dogs, yep plenty, difference being this breed of dog has the physical capability to do damage.

    If these people have a fear of your dogs I would certainly be pointing out to them what breed they've got. Because quite simply they obviously have no idea.

    The Pit Bull like lots of other breeds is not for the novice owner and for people to say otherwise is stupid. For these novice dog owners to get one is stupid, spells trouble immediately for me.

    One of my dogs is not fond of strangers on property and he takes a while to get to know you, and until he does he remains on a lead. Off home territory he's fine. However because of his breed unless he got in a very good first shot anybody from the age of 7 and up could quite easily defend themselves from a fatal attack. There are other breeds out there where that wouldn't be the case.

    I could also name another dozen breeds these people shouldn't own. But yep I'm always nervous when people purchase a breed that you know staight away is not the right breed for them. But then I also think a large amount of the population should own a Cavalier, despite one of the nastiest pieces of work I've ever looked after was a Cavalier. How I walk into his run and how I've walked into many pitt bull and bull breed X's is done the same way, but I know I will always come out of Sammy's run OK. With the others there is always the chance if I don't do everything right the outcome could be different.

    I'm not anti-PB or anti Bull Breed X but the breed is not in a good way for obvious reasons of which the dog itself is not at fault. People can say they don't like Whippets or have never been attracted to Whippets or Greys because they are skinny, muscley and have their tail between their legs (yep the curve of the topline of Whippet means they do) that's fine, just like I think it's fine for me to say I don't like PB or Bull breed X's because in the wrong hands there is the potential for trouble. Though I am happy to always be proved wrong.

    But if I was to look at the ratio of PB Bull Breed X's, say labradors and then say Cavaliers (amongst the ones that I've looked after) then I will be honest and say, the majority of PB & X's have fear aggression, the majority of Labs have pent up energy and the majority of Cav's are friendly little podgy dogs. All of these breeds represented a large number of the dogs we looked after on a day to day basis.

    Sammy now trusts me and greets me like a long lost friend, sadly our regular PB's (with fear aggression) while I do eventually win over their trust by the end of their stay are back to square one each and every visit.
    Last edited by MAC; 09-05-2012 at 03:22 PM.

  7. #17
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    Mar 2011
    SE QLD


    I agree with you MAC that they certanly aren't for first time owners. I don't think I've ever recommended an AmStaff or APBT as a pet to anyone I know because I know they need a special type of owner. Cavaliers I have plenty of times. If I had my chance again I probably would have picked an easier first breed to own instead of my two. Not that I regret that now.

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  8. #18
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    Jun 2011


    Oh and I also hate the red nose, or liver nose thing associated with PB's, what's with that! other breeds have a liver nose, one being the Ridgeback, they have both black and liver-nose in the breed. Maybe the neighbours haven't got a PB at all? Because if they are scared of dogs then it's unlikely they haven't heard about the "terribly danderous PB" because that's how the average joe sees them. Not that I think a RR is a good choice for novice dog owners unless they selected their breeder very well.

  9. #19
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    Apr 2010


    MAC, I think the entire "red nose of fear" is being driven directly by Victoria's legislation - literally, having a red nose puts that dog in immediate danger of being seized by any Ranger in any Council or Shire in the State. Whether the dog is a Pittie or not does not seem to enter the equation at all - it's a secondary breed assessment using cursory education "guidelines" that the Rangers are given (none receive animal breed training to properly identify an American Pit Bull) that may or may not save your dog...

    It's shameful, what we in Vctoria have done, but the hard and ugly truth is that if a dog in Victoria is decided as being dangerous, it will likely be done because of the colour of it's nose.

  10. #20


    This is the ADBA standard for accepted colours of APBT

    American Dog Breeders Association

    red nose is another stereotype - as you know Red is commonly associated with demonic/devil figure, right?
    so no wonder media or other people associated red nose as another common name for APBT.

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