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    Even though i said i was out of this discussion it seems i can't help myself.

    Mosh - 50 dogs bred and trained specifically for dog fighting and their rehabilitation is the story told in "The Lost Dogs". That's hardly anecdotal evidence!

    Choppa, I have the utmost respect for Mosh as far as his/her(sorry no idea which lol) knowledge of dog behaviours and training but i can only believe that Mosh has had either no exposure to well trained APBT's or only exposed to poorly trained examples. Given that Mosh keeps referring back to google i'm betting no exposure. I'm sure you would be thinking the same as me, if only Mosh could meet Jack or your dogs, Mosh wouldn't have to live the rest of his/her life without knowing the awesomeness of Staffy love. I feel sorry for everyone i ever met who was too scared of Jack to interact with him - for those who met him inside a house who didn't like him, he had an uncanny nack for sucking up and making himself irresistable. I'll never forget my mate having a female friend of his around to his house when i had Jack there, he told me she doesn't like dogs, I tried to keep Jack near me but eventually he wormed his way onto the other couch while we were preoccupied and planted his head on her lap ... newly converted dog lover!!! He just seemed to pick up on the vibes of someone not liking him and went out of his way to make them like him(got a big arse smile on moistened face just now lol)
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    OK, I will admit that I am getting more than just a tad tired of Mosh's anti pit bull vitriol.

    By their own admission he or she has not had any real interaction with American Pit Bull Terriers, but they are willing to condemn all APBTs because of what they have read in the papers or seen on the internet.

    Some APBts have dog aggression; so do some JRTs and some cattle dogs. FFS! Get over it and deal the issues that your unique dog has and be a good human leader. It ain't that hard.

    I have had over 15 APBTs come through my yard as rescue dogs; only one of these dogs was dog aggressive. The other 14 were fine with my APBT, my Maltese/Shih tsu, and my dingo/corgi cross. My APBT, my Maltese/shih tsu, and my dingo/corgi cross are a fine pack of dogs that socialise together better than most humans do. Don't ever try to tell me that APBTs can not socialise with other dogs. Only someone who had no understanding of dogs would say that.

    I would recommend that you should stop spouting your uninformed crap and actually try meeting and interacting with APBTs. Perhaps then you would understand why we pit bull owners refer to our dogs as the best dogs ever.

    Unlike mymatejack, I do not have "the utmost respect for Mosh as far as his/her(sorry no idea which lol) knowledge of dog behaviours and training" goes; I think he/she is behaving abysmally and they should lift their game.

    I think that is highly unlikely that any pit bull owner on Dog Forum fights their dog. Sheesh, at the height of dog fighting in the US of A only 1% of APBTs were fought. So 99% of pit bulls weren't fought, but guess what they were remembered for? Likewise, Dobermanns are remembered as concentration camp guard dogs.

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    Have to say ,most of what Ricey has written is true .

    I'm more than a bit surprised that someone with as much dog experience/training as Mosh is so adamant that the APBT is a dog aggressive monster and shouldn't be bred. More still , making this statement on no real life experience but only what they have read on the net.

    And if fifty trained Pit Dogs now rehabilitated and rehomed is not enough evidence...?? Have you actually read the book? I agree with MMJ , if you havn't you should.
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    In't it time this thread closed yet.
    I know the debate will appear again but this is getting over long to follow

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    Lol new tipe of figth for the gangsters
    dog forum post fighting lol
    who knows this migth become a law no dfpf
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    Quote Originally Posted by farrview View Post
    In't it time this thread closed yet.
    I know the debate will appear again but this is getting over long to follow
    Why should it be closed? The argument/discussion is being carried out in a civil manner where everyone is putting their points of view across, no one is being abusive or going over the top IMO. I'm a member of several different forums on several different topics, my pet hate is over the top moderation(i.e closing threads like this), forums are a place to argue/discuss contentious issues, as long as those discussions are kept to a reasonable level IMO they should be allowed to continue. I also think the mods here do a pretty damn good job of letting discussion flow ... remember my suck up mods
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    I haven't been following this whole thread, but I just had to respond to this:
    "It's great that they live together in their pack of two, but part of being a pack animal is being able to meet and socialize with unfamiliar dogs without conflict."

    Where on earth did you get that idea? Being a pack animal means living in a family group that they were born in! You can't get more familiar than that. The whole problem with the dominance training and harsh training methods based on it was that it was based on observations of wolves that were chucked together randomly by humans. And it clearly caused them stress because they didn't act at all like they would in a natural family group.

    It is nice if you have a dog that just likes all other dogs. It is important that your dog doesn't just want to rip the throat out from any unfamiliar dog they see. But socialising with strange dogs is not a must-have. When I got my dog I took her to the off leash area every day and she seemed to like every dog she met. She had impeccable body language and never got into conflict. Fast forward a year and she is still good with other dogs, has never had a really bad experience with any but chooses to avoid most of them. She loves playing with those dogs that she has met before, she will occasionally make a new friend and that is all she wants. Just like humans, she doesn't feel the need to be friends with every dog she meets.

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    I am not talking about the topic,it is an important discussion, just the thread is so long it is difficult for anyone to come into it and contribute meaningfully without trawling through 19 pages of comments. All I am saying it is getting too long. I have no quarrel with the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mymatejack View Post
    if only Mosh could meet Jack or your dogs, Mosh wouldn't have to live the rest of his/her life without knowing the awesomeness of Staffy love.
    Hi Mymatejack, I know how affectionate staffys can be and I've met many Amstaffs and pitbull crosses that are ok with other dogs and a few that were downright dog aggressive. My mate owns a staffy that is built like a small truck and he's a fantastic dog. I am not arguing that these are bad dogs, however I am arguing that if what a specialized branch of them are bred for (fighting) is no longer necessary, then we should be doing everything we can to make sure they don't want to fight any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricey View Post
    Unlike mymatejack, I do not have "the utmost respect for Mosh as far as his/her(sorry no idea which lol) knowledge of dog behaviours and training" goes; I think he/she is behaving abysmally and they should lift their game.
    I'm sorry that you don't approve of polite debate. Perhaps you should go join a forum where everyone agrees with each other all the time.

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