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Thread: OMG my next door neighbor has bought a red nosed pit bull!!!!

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    Wow, the 'I love all dogs, but' sounds suspiciously similar to the equally popular 'I'm not racist but'.

    You can't claim to love all dogs if you are willing to make it's life misery because you have some unfounded suspicions of what breed it may be. Because the restricted breed laws are not designed to make owners take responsibility.

    I know of a recent court case where the owners tried everything to prevent their non-pitbull, well trained and socialised dog from being declared a restricted breed by the council. They lost and now the dog has to live outside in a cage for the rest of his life. The owner considered having him pts to save him from that horrible fate, but couldn't.

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    Restricted Breeds and Declared Dangerous Dogs - City of Sydney says that American Pitbulls and Pitbull Terriers are restricted, but I'm stupid on breeds so I'm not sure how those breeds are related to the one you're describing, if at all.

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    Isn't there provisions to get the temperament of the dog assessed if it is a member of a restricted breed? So if it IS a restricted breed, but a big galumfing buffoon who wouldn't hurt a fly, should be ok?

    Technically, yes, it's not fair to blame the dog: it can't control its breed. But if you had a dog come in next door that made you feel threatened, shouldn't you have some rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allan53 View Post
    Isn't there provisions to get the temperament of the dog assessed if it is a member of a restricted breed? So if it IS a restricted breed, but a big galumfing buffoon who wouldn't hurt a fly, should be ok?
    Unfortunately no. Because that would be common sense. And we all know politicians don't do common sense. These laws are knee-jerk reactions and not helping anyone. I would be thrilled if they had a system where they could order dogs to be temperament tested if there were complaints about them. Though they'd probably manage to stuff that up too... Sorry, cynical mood today.

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    Allan53

    The rules on how restricted breeds are managed are different in every state and territory. The only federal rule (all states) is that you can't import them.

    In NSW - if you tell them that your dog is a pitbull - all the breed restrictions apply. But if your local council decides your dog is a cross of something restricted - you can appeal and get a temperament test and if your dog passes that - you can get the restriction and all that goes with that (cages and muzzles etc) lifted. I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think that's how it goes.

    I argue that it's highly unlikely any pure bred APBT are left in Australia - because there has been no breed database kept or control of breeding to ensure that only APBT are bred with APBT - for several dog life times. Ie anyone can cross a bunch of scary looking dogs and call the result a Pitbull. But it isn't really. And this would be the main reason the BSL is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Allan53

    The rules on how restricted breeds are managed are different in every state and territory. The only federal rule (all states) is that you can't import them.

    In NSW - if you tell them that your dog is a pitbull - all the breed restrictions apply. But if your local council decides your dog is a cross of something restricted - you can appeal and get a temperament test and if your dog passes that - you can get the restriction and all that goes with that (cages and muzzles etc) lifted. I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think that's how it goes.

    I argue that it's highly unlikely any pure bred APBT are left in Australia - because there has been no breed database kept or control of breeding to ensure that only APBT are bred with APBT - for several dog life times. Ie anyone can cross a bunch of scary looking dogs and call the result a Pitbull. But it isn't really. And this would be the main reason the BSL is stupid.
    It will be really rare to find one, If anyone noticed this, but there are some trends now in AU some people follow breeding of American Bully. I'm not sure if it is just me because I keep an eye to these community or anyone one else noticing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    I argue that it's highly unlikely any pure bred APBT are left in Australia - because there has been no breed database kept or control of breeding to ensure that only APBT are bred with APBT - for several dog life times. Ie anyone can cross a bunch of scary looking dogs and call the result a Pitbull. But it isn't really. And this would be the main reason the BSL is stupid.
    This I can agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosh View Post
    This I can agree with.

    Because they are not a recognised breed does not make them extinct.
    Nor does it mean that there are no passionate breeders left , breeding quality 'pure' dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allan53 View Post
    Isn't there provisions to get the temperament of the dog assessed if it is a member of a restricted breed? So if it IS a restricted breed, but a big galumfing buffoon who wouldn't hurt a fly, should be ok?

    Technically, yes, it's not fair to blame the dog: it can't control its breed. But if you had a dog come in next door that made you feel threatened, shouldn't you have some rights?
    The NSW regs are ;
    If claimed to be an APBT then you have a Breed assessment done, if dog passes that ( crosses are safe) then dog has to go through a Temp Test. If dog passes that then dog is free to live life just the same as the cattle dog next door.
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    LOL I love this thread.

    OP, you shouldnt make assumptions about how well or not your neighbours will raise the unknown breed of dog.

    I have a good friend who was a moron when it came to dogs. Against my advice, she got one anyway, and against my advice she got a second pup shortly after.

    And I am hapy to say, I was wrong. She has raised two friendly, well behaved, happy an dhealthy dogs, and I for sure thought she would f them up.

    Regardless of what your neighbours have done previously, you arent involved in all of their decision making processes. You dont know why they have rehomed previous dogs, you only know what they want you to know.

    In fact, how do we even know that they have rehomed any dogs previously? This could just be an extra piece of "info" youve added in the hope people agree with you.

    I say, mind your own business until you see them doing something that might really jeoprdise the dog.

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