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    Seems to just get better and better... these people really have no idea. They need to stop acting on emotion and switch to logic.

    Vets should be required to inform authorities whenever they treat a restricted breed dog, says a lawyer for the family of a Melbourne girl mauled to death by a pitbull.

    The submission to an inquest conducted by the Victorian Coroners Court by the family of four-year-old Ayen Chol is supported by the Brimbank City Council in whose area the attack took place in August 2011.

    It was not opposed by the government department that regulates dogs in Victoria.

    Brimbank Council did not know about the existence of the dog which savaged Ayen to death at St Albans in northwest Melbourne because it had never been registered, the inquest heard.

    Had it been registered, the dog would have been subject to strict fencing requirements.

    A barrister for Ayen's family, Adam Hill, told the inquest that vets were the people who had access to restricted breed dogs.

    "We would submit that there ought to be some sort of compulsory reporting of non-compliance with the act," Mr Hill said in his final submission to the inquest.

    Brimbank Council barrister John Constable agreed, saying vets should be under a legally enforceable obligation to report details of dangerous dogs and their owners to council.

    Sandip Mukerjea, for the Department of Primary Industries, said there would likely be opposition to the proposal from groups representing the interests of vets.

    He also suggested that people might be discouraged from taking their dogs to the vet if there was mandatory reporting.

    But he said those matters did not militate against mandatory reporting.

    Mr Hill also called for a specific penalty for people who breed restricted breed dogs.

    A gap in the legislation had allowed 15 "what we would loosely describe as loaded guns out in our community", he said.

    Zlate Lazarovski, who gave the dog that attacked Ayen to its owner Nick Josevski, told the inquest that the dog's mother had given birth to 15 puppies in two pregnancies.

    Both pregnancies were sired by the same dog - the father of the animal which attacked Ayen.

    Vaccination cards for the puppies stated they were American pitbulls, the court heard.

    Mr Lazarovski said neither of the dog's parents was a pitbull.

    He also denied being a breeder.

    "I am not a breeder. I haven't had time to be a breeder. It just happened," he said.

    Mr Lazarovski said he paid $50 for each puppy to get them vaccinated and then gave them away "free to a good home".

    Coroner Kim Parkinson is to deliver her finding at a date to be fixed.

    Vets urged to dob in pitbulls

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    If this were to be implemented, all this would do is stop people seeking vet assistance for their animals, more pets would end up dead both through council action and lack of medical care.

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    I can't see how this would be enforceable, hopefully vets will say "sorry but we can't determine breed based on looks alone"

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    You cant tell if a dog is dangerous just by looking at it, it is the assumption that a dog is dangerous because it looks like a pit bull that is disturbing. How is a vet supposed to decifer this, many people will be too scared to take their dogs to the vet. Also many dogs of all breeds will act out of character at the vets.

    What I also found disturbing was the story about the owner of the dog and the twice pregnant bitch and giving the puppies away. Not what a responsible owner of a nice Pit would really want to hear I would imagine.
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    Soon we'll have underground vet practices...

    As for the unintentional breeder... So much more education is needed. Him thinking that it is more ethical because it was an accident and he gave the pups away for free is quite sad.

    I actually really think it is a bit rich for pollies to complain about breeding dogs when they are not willing to spend the dollars to enforce desexing laws. At our council desexing is mandatory, but you are not required to show any documentation when you register your dog. And I've only ever once come across a ranger checking dogs' registration tags in my 15 years of walking dogs here anyway.

    Even if they don't check this via registration, it wouldn't be hard to just go through local classifieds and visit people advertising litters and ensure they get their dogs desexed. But that would require paying staff to do that of course. It's easier to just vote silly laws...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    Soon we'll have underground vet practices...

    As for the unintentional breeder... So much more education is needed. Him thinking that it is more ethical because it was an accident and he gave the pups away for free is quite sad.

    I actually really think it is a bit rich for pollies to complain about breeding dogs when they are not willing to spend the dollars to enforce desexing laws. At our council desexing is mandatory, but you are not required to show any documentation when you register your dog. And I've only ever once come across a ranger checking dogs' registration tags in my 15 years of walking dogs here anyway.

    Even if they don't check this via registration, it wouldn't be hard to just go through local classifieds and visit people advertising litters and ensure they get their dogs desexed. But that would require paying staff to do that of course. It's easier to just vote silly laws...
    We've got to show desex certificates if we want a discount on our dog rego. Drops from 115 to 31 bucks so in the long run its cheaper to desex.

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    I doubt many vets would participate in this given the policy of the Australian Veterinary Association is against BSL - because you can't tell what a dog is by looking at it.

    Some have been reluctant to write a letter to state a dog is not a pitbull or pitbull cross because they see that as supporting the BSL. But they might be more willing if that lawyer gets its way. The dog that killed Ayen Chol was not a pitbull anyway. So I can't see how that kind of thinking would make any difference to the number of people hurt by dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    The dog that killed Ayen Chol was not a pitbull anyway.
    Wasn't it a mastiff pitbull cross? Weird that nobody has kicked up a fuss about mastiffs, given that they are also extremely powerful dogs and capable of the same levels of aggression.

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    It was a bitsa.

    They might know what the breeder said it was, but that is unlikely to be what it actually was - which was probably a multi cross breed to look (and maybe act) scary.

    The whole thing was a cluster fsk - where not just one thing goes wrong but many. It wasn't because the dog was a pitbull.

    Other factors -
    council did not follow up when dog was reported previously
    council did not make sure the dog was registered or secured as a dangerous dog.
    owner let the dog out or did not adequately secure the dog.
    the children ran instead of standing their ground. not that I blame the victim but running and screaming fires up the bad dogs.
    the owner did not socialise the dog or train it not to bite strangers (the opposite is possible).
    the owner did not introduce the dog to the neighbours or the neighbours to the dog.

    And by owner - I mean the bloke who was looking after and feeding the dog. Not a lot of point saying it was his son's dog. He, not his son was responsible for making sure the dog could not attack people and both of them were responsible for making sure the dog was not inclined to attack people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    Seems to just get better and better... these people really have no idea. They need to stop acting on emotion and switch to logic.
    Sorry I see this going the same way as Doctors and Teachers having to report abuse against children.

    What has that one achieved ?????? In my mind - absolutely nothing !!!!!!!!!!

    So what has happened to:
    1 common sense
    2 empathy
    3 caring about anything other than your self

    So until we can do something about people not caring or just plain stupidity - as far as I can see there will always be a cost - as - people will always look for - what is in this for me !

    As far as paying - I pay my taxes - I really wish that I could allocate it to something I would not be bothered paying for !!!

    If we can't protect the kids in our lives - what chance have we for any other thing ?

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