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    Quote Originally Posted by jadielee87 View Post
    I agree with what the Sea Shepherd are doing, whaling is a disgusting practice and the governments of the world should be doing more to stop it. I don't agree with how they do some things like the 3 recently who decided to hop aboard the whaling ship.
    I'm not sure how I feel about this one. If they wouldn't do such extreme things, do you think they would still be getting the media coverage they are getting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    I'm not sure how I feel about this one. If they wouldn't do such extreme things, do you think they would still be getting the media coverage they are getting?
    I don't think they would, I haven't heard much about them since this incident. I think there is a line and they crossed it then (even though the Japanese would need a set of binoculars to look back at that same line)

    They are lucky that they weren't taken back to Japan and put on trial (unless this is going to happen). What happens when they are in Jail, will there be others that will take their place or 3 less people fighting for whale rights.

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    I think whales/dolphins are majestic animals, and they are my most favorable over any species.

    Whaling is still a touchy subject. Whilst i would wish the whaling industry would cease to exist, i acknowledge that in some cultures it is a way of life and a tradition. I don't think any culture should have to change for the pure fact that some "westerners" find it cruel and disgusting. Yes these are modern times, there are a variety of other ways to live etc that don't include the slaughter of whales, but i still think cultures deserve the right to preserve their traditions.

    Deer and other animals are still subject to hunting, so why should whales be exempt?

    The Sea Shepherd has launched a campaign to stop the illegal whaling by Japanese whalers in the Southern Ocean Whale sanctuary because as jadielee has mentioned - the United Nations are doing nothing to stop it. Why make it a whale sanctuary, when whales can still be hunted within those waters for "scientific research"? I'm all for the sea shepherd, if they won't attempt to to enforce the international conservation laws, who will? However the way they have been going about it is up for debate. They have been dubbed as "eco-terrorist" with actions such as ramming other vessels, throwing acid, boarding whaling vessels which i don't find very diplomatic in what they are trying to achieve... I also don't believe they should be rewarded with a television series which documents this behaviour.

    I forgot to mention that it would be better if they could come up with a way to hunt that was more ethical. Some way that did not involve a slow painful death...

    Does anybody know the quota for the japanese? Norway's annual quota for 2011 was 1286
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    Hello Kuri, Have just had time to read this interesting thread and want to commend you for your passionate input and deep concern for the welfare of animals.
    Someone hit the nail on the head when they said " for every passionate person wanting to stop the cruel and abusive use of animals and their environment for the pleasure or profit of humans, there are always more people who just dont care or are the abusers themselves", so sadly it is an uphill battle.

    My thoughts on Peta? They have denigrated themselves to the same level as Greenpeace, who once began with honourable intentions but now have taken on ridiculas extremist views. When you have CEO"s and management of TAX FREE CHARITIES, taking bonuses, holidays and huge wages from public donations, as a means to living the high life, they need to keep finding ways to attract media attention and donations, without actually spending any of the money on what it was actually donated for.
    My thoughts of course to not extend to those amazing volunteers within these charities, who do all the good work...for all the right reasons without profiting from it.

    Sea Shepherd? They are my hero's! Japan kills cruely slaughters thousands of whales and dolphins every year, under a loophole in a 20 year long International moritorium banning the slaughter of whales, within a designated whale sanctuary. Why? Less than 1 % of Japanese folks eat whale or dolphin anymore, it is usually only eaten by elderly japanese who were forced to eat whale or starve after the world war and still retain a taste for the not so tasty meat,younger Japanese would rather eat mcdonalds. So to date the Japanese have stockpiled 4,000 tonnes of unwanted whale and dolphin meat..why? Beacuse whales and dolphins eat fish, and Japan refuses to share the worlds fish with whales and dolphins. Japan catches or buys over 80% of every fish caught in the WORLD, it is very important to them, and have quashed any international moves to reduce Japans vast consumption from the oceans.
    If you like tuna...enjoy while you can, as it is almost commercially extinct!
    So yes......I support Sea Shepherd 100% in their efforts to stop the wholesale slaughter of everything in the oceans by Japan, There is no need for the extremely cruel whaling and dolphin killing to continue, Sea Shepherd have not hurt anyone unlike the Japanese and are the ONLY organisation out there, spending the money raised, on what it was intended for.

    Again....thank you for your interesting thread Kuri, and sorry for the rant, but it is something close to my heart.
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    Yes, Kuri, they do deserve their own TV show. Watch "The Cove" or a doco the slaughter of whales and their family units and make up your own mind. When your granchildren can eat tuna at $4.00 a can instead of $400 and enjoy the amazing sight of whales in the wild that you enjoy...it will be all worth it. International bodies have tried for 20 years to stop it with negotiations and sweet talk, yet there quotas increase every year. "BAD things happen"...when good people do nothing! Go Sea Shepherd!
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    PETA always make me laugh.
    they all think they know everything.
    bet most of them don't even own a dog.

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    My 2 cents. In one of those moods tonight for random musings.

    You know it's interesting. The reason we care about others, about animals all stems from the fact that humans alone have developed empathy. It's a very advanced cognitive function, the very one that enabled us to become the supreme hunter of all the species on this planet. It allowed us to preempt our prey's every move, get into their heads so no matter what weapons and defenses nature had bestowed upon them it was all futile because we were always so many steps ahead. And yet the irony is that from our greatest hunting tool that easily trumps anything else nature has to offer, stems our prey's only chance at survival. The fact that we feel for them. That we're so good at getting into their heads that now when we hurt them, it hurts us.

    The fact is all life on this planet is doomed. The sun has a limited lifespan and when it dies, anything left on this planet dies with it. There is no creature on this planet that has any chance of getting off (let alone saving the other creatures living on it) except for us. And we would never have developed the brain power we need to even stand a chance had it not been for the fact that we were predators and ate meat. Our brains require massive amounts of energy. Today it's true, we could all survive on plant material alone. But what many people are ignorant of is the fact that to grow enough crops to feed everyone would kill the land we have very quickly - you can't grow crops on land forever it destroys it - we need something to restore that land and today, that is done through cycling between growing crops and grazing livestock on those fields. Less humans would help, but that's only for this planet. When you consider that if all we had was this planet we would all be doomed anyway, well you have to think that there is a universe out there currently beyond our comprehension and 6 billion people (whilst to me it does seem too many) might actually make us the smallest population of intelligent lifeforms for all we know.

    I used to think that all species were competing against each other to be dominant on this planet. But I feel differently now. We are all made of the same building blocks - our DNA is comprised of the same material as the dog next to you, the grass under your shoe and the fly in your water. So now I think DNA has just mutated into millions of different forms in the hopes that one of us will survive. Dogs made a choice. They put their lot in with ours. They helped us get ahead when we needed them - and we still need them today to face a whole host of new challenges. Today there are millions of dogs but wolves would be dead were it not for this empathy and the resources we have devoted to saving them - when they have hunted both us and our dogs and will always prefer that we (another predator) didn't exist. And yet if we hadn't evolved to the point that we have, there would be no hope for the wolves, the whales or anything else.

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    Wow, Cavvy i have only just read your reply!

    If you read my post i do not have a problem Sea Shepherd - i love watching the show and i hate seeing the images of slaughtered whales, flinching on the deck knowing they are in pain and are suffering a terrible, terrible death. However i do not agree with some of their tactics, some of it i find violent (throwing acid etc) and not only are they putting their own lives in danger, but those of the whalers who half of them don't even want to be there but that is their only means of money.

    I watched a documentary on Inuits who once a year would hunt the Narwhal. Before the hunt, they would pray. After the hunt was done & they had the carcass lying in front of them they asked for it's forgiveness, blessed the meat, cut it up & distribute it between the whole village which would last them the entire year. Every part - from the flesh, blubber, teeth & bone was used. I find this endearing, it's sad for the Narwhal but it's feeding an entire village, nothing is left to waste and they show their gratitude. This is what i mean when i say i do not have a problem with hunting for traditional and cultural reasons. I however have a problem when they are hunted commercially and so much of the carcass is left to waste. I was well aware that the modern Japanese found Whale and Dolphin meat repulsive (seen as scrap meat) and that most whalers will actually sell it as 'tuna' under false pretences.

    I actually watched 'The Cove' when it first came out in 2009. I can't entirely remember the movie but i remember it being very disturbing. I remember watching a group of dolphins being slaughtered to death (after dolphins were chosen for various Sea Worlds etc) and the guy on the boat laughing, and the baby dolphin that got away, tried swimming to shore and died. I also remember the part of which their are high mercury in dolphin meat? and that they were giving that meat to japanese schools to feed the students with?? Anyway i 100% agree with you on the topic of japanese whalers, but i do not agree that it should be banned outright (in regards to indigenous people who don't have the privilege of heading to the nearest mc donalds)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    Wow, Cavvy i have only just read your reply!

    If you read my post i do not have a problem Sea Shepherd - i love watching the show and i hate seeing the images of slaughtered whales, flinching on the deck knowing they are in pain and are suffering a terrible, terrible death. However i do not agree with some of their tactics, some of it i find violent (throwing acid etc) and not only are they putting their own lives in danger, but those of the whalers who half of them don't even want to be there but that is their only means of money.

    I watched a documentary on Inuits who once a year would hunt the Narwhal. Before the hunt, they would pray. After the hunt was done & they had the carcass lying in front of them they asked for it's forgiveness, blessed the meat, cut it up & distribute it between the whole village which would last them the entire year. Every part - from the flesh, blubber, teeth & bone was used. I find this endearing, it's sad for the Narwhal but it's feeding an entire village, nothing is left to waste and they show their gratitude. This is what i mean when i say i do not have a problem with hunting for traditional and cultural reasons. I however have a problem when they are hunted commercially and so much of the carcass is left to waste. I was well aware that the modern Japanese found Whale and Dolphin meat repulsive (seen as scrap meat) and that most whalers will actually sell it as 'tuna' under false pretences.

    I actually watched 'The Cove' when it first came out in 2009. I can't entirely remember the movie but i remember it being very disturbing. I remember watching a group of dolphins being slaughtered to death (after dolphins were chosen for various Sea Worlds etc) and the guy on the boat laughing, and the baby dolphin that got away, tried swimming to shore and died. I also remember the part of which their are high mercury in dolphin meat? and that they were giving that meat to japanese schools to feed the students with?? Anyway i 100% agree with you on the topic of japanese whalers, but i do not agree that it should be banned outright (in regards to indigenous people who don't have the privilege of heading to the nearest mc donalds)
    Kuri- I did read your post and and loved how you care about the whales and dolphins.

    I absolutley agree with you on the genuine native whaling ie Inuits, they hunt one or two whales a year via very primitive methods and do indeed feed a whole village and have been doing this for hundreds of years.

    But aside from a few small scale native japanese villages, Japan has no history of whaling before the end of world war11 when the Americans gave them whaling ships to feed their populations who were starving after the war.

    Japan then joined the masses of England, Australia ie and started whaling commercially in the 40's and 50's for whale oil and food, until in the 70's after the whaling commisions failed attempts to impose catch limits and save many whale populations plummeting into extinction, they were forced to ban whaling.
    At this time, whales were hard to find and most countries abided by the ban. Norway and Japan continued with Norway ignoring the ban and Japan flouting a science loophole.
    Very few people eat whale anymore, Norway continues to whale only to sell to the Japanese, Japans continues to whale and kill dolphins for no other reason than to rid the oceans of these mammals that eat the fish Japan would like to keep for itself, keeping in mind Japan buys over 80% of every fish caught anywhere in the world.

    Japans heavy reliance and unsustainable need for seafood, sees them, killing off their competition for fish in the oceans, whales and dolphins.
    They cruelly kill over 25,000 dolphins every year. and 1,200 whales!!!
    The meat, 4,000 tons is stockpiled unwanted in large warehouses, or used for whatever purpose they can find, pet food or fertilizer.

    The worlds governing bodies have been trying unsuccessfully for 25 years to stop these nations flouting the ban.

    Someone needs to step up and Sea Shepherd has, during all theie campains they have never hurt anyone, whereas the Japanese have used methods against them which have injured Sea Shepherd members. The ACID as you mentioned, is nothing more than rancid butter (butric acid), it smells revolting but does no harm, and the main reason they throw it on the decks is to make the whale meat unusable and to hinder the whaling operations.

    This is a disgraceful and unneccessary industry who has been allowed to continue due to the unwillingness of governments to risk trade agreements with japan...its just not good enough.

    I admire that these people are trying to right a massive wrong, and not many people are willing to put themselves out for the benefit of someone or something else.
    We have some atrocious events happening all over the world to animals and humans, our governments are not willing to protect the most vunerable amongst us and I admire anyone who will, sometimes we just need to step outside the box and just do what needs to be done.

    Im not a radical greenie kuri, i understand people eat meat, animals need to be culled ect...but whether it be cattle, pigs, sheep, dogs if you farm/breed and sell an animal for profit, you need to ensure that animal is treated with respect and humanity in life and death. If you cant or are not willing to ensure they do not suffer, you need to be growing and selling/exporting toilet paper instead of living breathing creatures.
    I get really angry with anyone who makes money off animals/wildlife yet is happy for them to suffer to save a dollar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 99bottles View Post
    My 2 cents. In one of those moods tonight for random musings.

    You know it's interesting. The reason we care about others, about animals all stems from the fact that humans alone have developed empathy. It's a very advanced cognitive function, the very one that enabled us to become the supreme hunter of all the species on this planet. It allowed us to preempt our prey's every move, get into their heads so no matter what weapons and defenses nature had bestowed upon them it was all futile because we were always so many steps ahead. And yet the irony is that from our greatest hunting tool that easily trumps anything else nature has to offer, stems our prey's only chance at survival. The fact that we feel for them. That we're so good at getting into their heads that now when we hurt them, it hurts us.

    The fact is all life on this planet is doomed. The sun has a limited lifespan and when it dies, anything left on this planet dies with it. There is no creature on this planet that has any chance of getting off (let alone saving the other creatures living on it) except for us. And we would never have developed the brain power we need to even stand a chance had it not been for the fact that we were predators and ate meat. Our brains require massive amounts of energy. Today it's true, we could all survive on plant material alone. But what many people are ignorant of is the fact that to grow enough crops to feed everyone would kill the land we have very quickly - you can't grow crops on land forever it destroys it - we need something to restore that land and today, that is done through cycling between growing crops and grazing livestock on those fields. Less humans would help, but that's only for this planet. When you consider that if all we had was this planet we would all be doomed anyway, well you have to think that there is a universe out there currently beyond our comprehension and 6 billion people (whilst to me it does seem too many) might actually make us the smallest population of intelligent lifeforms for all we know.

    I used to think that all species were competing against each other to be dominant on this planet. But I feel differently now. We are all made of the same building blocks - our DNA is comprised of the same material as the dog next to you, the grass under your shoe and the fly in your water. So now I think DNA has just mutated into millions of different forms in the hopes that one of us will survive. Dogs made a choice. They put their lot in with ours. They helped us get ahead when we needed them - and we still need them today to face a whole host of new challenges. Today there are millions of dogs but wolves would be dead were it not for this empathy and the resources we have devoted to saving them - when they have hunted both us and our dogs and will always prefer that we (another predator) didn't exist. And yet if we hadn't evolved to the point that we have, there would be no hope for the wolves, the whales or anything else.
    Wow bottles, Thank you for your interesting post.

    It surely is a bleak outlook for us but i wonder whether we will all die from starvation or the death of our oceans from our exploitation of the planets natural resourses well before the sun dies.
    Last edited by cavalierqld; 06-01-2012 at 10:10 AM.
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