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Thread: Are dog breeders as bad as the KKK. PETA thinks so !!

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    Now that you have mentioned it i have misread your comment. I am not outraged that breeders were likened to KKK members because i simply don't care. I have never had a interest in breeding, breeders or purebreds. I don't mean to offend those who breed for a hobby (ethical breeders i hear make no money off what they do), it just does not intrigue me as much as animal welfare and the questions surrounding animal activism.

    There are bad animal activists and bad breeders.

    Back to what my original comment, all i wanted to know was what peoples thoughts were on a statement that i had read in regards to when people though in was okay to start the enslavement of animals and for use as common commodities. I am not talking about our pets, i think we have established that we are all great animal owners who would do anything for our animals. I am talking about animals in general - those in circuses, zoo's, dogs that are used for a service/entertainment (tourist sled dogs, greyhounds etc)
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    Voicing opinion is not jamming it down anyone's throat unless that how they wish to perceive it.

    IMO animals being domesticated does not equate to slavery (in general terms, don't get me started on elephants aught in the wild and "broken in" as workers!). As I explained on page 1, domestication is instigated by humans because of their almost unique ability to provide for another species. It is far more of a symbiotic relationship than the parasitic type of interaction defined as slavery or servitude.

    And another opinion, I am a breeder, and I find it deeply offensive to be compared to the KKK. Even if I wasn't, I find the use of the KKK image as a promotional tool deeply offensive.

    If there was no breeders of dogs, there would be crossbreds for a while, but the domestic dog as we know it would eventually disappear, especially with the increasing prevalence of desexing pets. Is that something any dog lover can afford to be apathetic about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    Voicing opinion is not jamming it down anyone's throat unless that how they wish to perceive it.

    IMO animals being domesticated does not equate to slavery (in general terms, don't get me started on elephants aught in the wild and "broken in" as workers!). As I explained on page 1, domestication is instigated by humans because of their almost unique ability to provide for another species. It is far more of a symbiotic relationship than the parasitic type of interaction defined as slavery or servitude.

    And another opinion, I am a breeder, and I find it deeply offensive to be compared to the KKK. Even if I wasn't, I find the use of the KKK image as a promotional tool deeply offensive.

    If there was no breeders of dogs, there would be crossbreds for a while, but the domestic dog as we know it would eventually disappear, especially with the increasing prevalence of desexing pets. Is that something any dog lover can afford to be apathetic about?
    I agree that using the KKK as a promotional tool is deeply offensive. I also agree with your thought on domesticated animals having a symbiotic relationship with humans.

    I however question when domesticated animals become something that is disposed of. Like i have already said - Greyhounds for racing, security/working dogs and also Sled dogs used for tourism. They are used for "servitude" to a certain point and then disposed of when they are no longer in need.

    That's great that you have dedicated yourself to breeding, and it's obviously something you are passionate about and it's people like you who will make sure that the domestic dog and all it's characteristics will remain the same. I honestly have never given a second thought about it, and it does not interest me - this doesn't mean i am not a dog lover, or love my dog's any less than anybody else. Quite frankly I (meaning dogs that i have obtained myself, not dog's i have had around as a child, my step-father had purebred PB's) have always had rescue dogs therefore have never looked into breeding or ever been curious in doing so. This does not mean i think you what you do is worthless and i don't mean to offend, it just is.

    Hmm, i think i maybe going around in circles here, so i will try and refrain from repeating myself and only post if i have something new to say LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    Now that you have mentioned it i have misread your comment. I am not outraged that breeders were likened to KKK members because i simply don't care. I have never had a interest in breeding, breeders or purebreds. I don't mean to offend those who breed for a hobby (ethical breeders i hear make no money off what they do), it just does not intrigue me as much as animal welfare and the questions surrounding animal activism.

    There are bad animal activists and bad breeders.

    Back to what my original comment, all i wanted to know was what peoples thoughts were on a statement that i had read in regards to when people though in was okay to start the enslavement of animals and for use as common commodities. I am not talking about our pets, i think we have established that we are all great animal owners who would do anything for our animals. I am talking about animals in general - those in circuses, zoo's, dogs that are used for a service/entertainment (tourist sled dogs, greyhounds etc)
    When I ask why you are not outraged about breeders being referred to as the KKK, I meant it in the terms that in your previous post you said you think victims of the KKK would be offended by people saying PETA are as bad as the KKK, I thought that by that comment you found it disrespectful as well and following on from that coundn't understand why you mentioned that only when you thought someone had said PETA was as bad as the KKK. If that makes sense...

    Unfortunately there are atrocities committed by humans every day, it is not only animals who are treated as commodities and disposable by some people, some people also treat humans that way. The reason it is allowed is because there are as many people who are either indifferent to it or actively perpetrate as there are people who find it disgusting.

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    I dont know very much about PETA... i would imagine that a group dedicated to the welfare of animals would concern themselves with the immediate & constant problems of mistreatment & brutality. I'd rather someone out there confiscating dogs from people who leave them to die in the backyard, matted, beaten, tick infested & starving, than go out attacking a breeder for shaping a Dobies ears when that breeder is probably doing everything they can to give their dogs a happy, secure and healthy life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nashems View Post
    I dont know very much about PETA... i would imagine that a group dedicated to the welfare of animals would concern themselves with the immediate & constant problems of mistreatment & brutality. I'd rather someone out there confiscating dogs from people who leave them to die in the backyard, matted, beaten, tick infested & starving, than go out attacking a breeder for shaping a Dobies ears when that breeder is probably doing everything they can to give their dogs a happy, secure and healthy life.
    I think it is something that we all want, especially myself, and not just for the domesticated animals but the wild ones too. I agree there are far more important matters than attacking breeders... well the ones that are doing it the right way anyway. Though if you feel passionate about something and for somebody to say "it's not important" isn't fair. I feel like what i believe in my group of friends and family isn't important, (in regards to puppy farms, and palm oil farms which are destroying the amazon) but to me its certainly is. Most of them have children and think there are far more pressing issue's than animal welfare, which makes me mad. They all think i'm a crazy who distributes leaflets and posters, sends them dozens of emails to sign petitions, plasters my facebook with animal welfare images and links, attends events/rally's, and yes i maybe a little crazy, and i may be going overboard but i couldn't give to s**** (excuse the language) because it's something i'm passionate about. So whilst i may not be breaking any laws or going TOTALLY overboard like some PETA members, i can understand their drive and why sometimes they can be drawn to the point of madness.

    I in no way encourage or advocate the way they go about things, or even some of the things they think need to be stamped out. But i can definitely see where the passion can come from and how easy it can be to get carried away sometimes.

    I should also apologize to Natt, who i may have come across a little ignorant when it came to breeding. It was unfair of me to have said i no interest in breeding, which was insensitive as it's obviously something you are passionate about and i had swept it under the carpet, which can be infuriating. Sorry

    Just for curiosity, how many of you support the sea shepherd and the way they go about their cause??
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    I understand where you are coming from Kuri, and feeling passionate about injustices is a very good trait. But the end does not justify the means and trying to persuade people by insulting them, shocking them or trying to overwhelm them often has the opposite effect. Eg. the way in which the WWF chugger (charity mugger) snarled "So you don't care if wildlife gets murdered" at me because I said I didn't want to sign up for a regular donation made me want to go shoot a panda just to make a point.

    A gently-gently approach works much better on most people. Change the world one small step at a time... Eg. I hate seeing animals kept in cages. But instead of calling to ban all zoos, I think a better first step would be to have minimum legal requirements for the size and quality of the enclosures and how the animals are treated. In the end maybe we can turn all zoos into safari parks where animals roam free in safety.

    There are also way too many people who are anti something but haven't thought out a viable alternative. I saw a doco last year (Last Chance to See with Stephen Fry) in which they visited Madagascar, a place most of us think of as a tropical paradise. I was very shocked to see that there was barely a tree left on the island. All the rainforest had been replaced with plantations for the production of... wait for it... bio-degradable plastic bags for the European market. I bet the Europeans feel so good about themselves for are using environmentally friendly bags.

    So when PETA tries to persuade people to switch to synthetic products instead of wool and leather for example, have they calculated the cost for the environment? Is it better for nature and wildlife to switch to artificial products? I am not so sure and because lots of their publications read like propaganda, I do not trust them to tell me the whole truth.

    Wow, that was quite a rant!

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    The thing with PETA is that they take their "animal rights" to the point of ridiculous.

    They are the same people who said Australian farmers are cruel to crutch sheep, little knowing that to not do it here in Aus would lead to a disgusting and painful death for sheep.

    Yes we kill sheep and yes our slaughter houses need regulations but to say we should never keep domestic animals for food etc is to my way of thinking to the point of ridiculous.

    For me I liken PETA to a religous extremist. They take things to a point whereby they wil hurt the very thing they stand for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    The thing with PETA is that they take their "animal rights" to the point of ridiculous.

    They are the same people who said Australian farmers are cruel to crutch sheep, little knowing that to not do it here in Aus would lead to a disgusting and painful death for sheep.

    Yes we kill sheep and yes our slaughter houses need regulations but to say we should never keep domestic animals for food etc is to my way of thinking to the point of ridiculous.

    For me I liken PETA to a religous extremist. They take things to a point whereby they wil hurt the very thing they stand for.
    I think it is something we have all established. Yes they are extremist and go way overboard. But i can understand how that line can be easily crossed which is why i remain neutral. I neither like them or dislike them...

    Again, i posed a question on what some of you think of the sea shepherd, and their fight against whaling? some may think they are also extremist.. putting their own and others lives in jeopardy... potentially hurting the one thing they also stand for with their extremist style. What do you all think?

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    I agree with what the Sea Shepherd are doing, whaling is a disgusting practice and the governments of the world should be doing more to stop it. I don't agree with how they do some things like the 3 recently who decided to hop aboard the whaling ship.

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