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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    You can't be serious? How can you compare what animals do to eat in context with humans? Does not make any sense to me. Humans are greedy and will always take more than their "fair share" everything else in the animal kingdom takes only what it needs to survive.

    I've been reading a book on animal rights and although there are topics in the book i do not agree with, there are others that leave me pondering. Such as a statement written: When did humans think it was okay to enslave animals? We were all put on this earth together so why do humans think they are superior to animals? Animals have thinking, emotions - everything we do, so why do we think it's okay to keep them in factories, households and pass them around like common goods?

    Just take a look and gumtree - Roosters, cats, dogs, horses, guinea pigs etc "fluffy free to a good home, can no longer keep", "Bingo needs a new home because we have children and cannot give him the time he deserves" - all treated like common goods.
    Does a cat think it's superior to its prey? Does a flea think it's superior to a dog?

    I do understand where you are coming from and I would probably just have nodded my head in agreement when I was a bit younger. But the more I think about it, the more I think that we are not that different from other animals. And agree with Natty's comment that lots of our relationships with animals are symbiotic. Not unlike some relationships between animals in the wild. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. And even though some people may think that we have all the power in our relationships with our dog and therefor must feel superior, the way I see it the dog who doesn't have to do much for his food at all and never goes hungry or cold surely has the last laugh.

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    haha i started watching the video, and guess what?! I ended up watching the other videos after the first one and its family guy lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beloz View Post
    Does a cat think it's superior to its prey? Does a flea think it's superior to a dog?

    I do understand where you are coming from and I would probably just have nodded my head in agreement when I was a bit younger. But the more I think about it, the more I think that we are not that different from other animals. And agree with Natty's comment that lots of our relationships with animals are symbiotic. Not unlike some relationships between animals in the wild. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. And even though some people may think that we have all the power in our relationships with our dog and therefor must feel superior, the way I see it the dog who doesn't have to do much for his food at all and never goes hungry or cold surely has the last laugh.
    Good point although i don't agree. People use animals as commodities - things that are disposed of when they no longer serve their use. Sure our pet dogs might be laughing at the fact that they are rewarded with a warm home, food, toys for doing nothing but being our companions, however i beg to differ for the greyhounds and horses that can no longer race, security dogs that can no longer serve their purpose, sled dogs that are culled, cattle-dogs that are useless... the list goes on.

    When animals kill other animals it's for a sole purpose - food or territory. They don't go out of their way to be cruel, they don't kill more than is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post
    Good point although i don't agree. SomePeople use animals as commodities - things that are disposed of when they no longer serve their use. Sure our pet dogs might be laughing at the fact that they are rewarded with a warm home, food, toys for doing nothing but being our companions, however i beg to differ for the greyhounds and horses that can no longer race, security dogs that can no longer serve their purpose, sled dogs that are culled, cattle-dogs that are useless... the list goes on.

    When animals kill other animals it's for a sole purpose - food or territory. They don't go out of their way to be cruel, they don't kill more than is needed.
    I added the very important 'some'. None of us would do that or agree with that. That doesn't mean that breeding or selling dogs as pets is automatically bad. The video mentions docking tails etc, which are practices that were abandoned in most countries ages ago. As much as I love my crossbreeds and can't really get exited about bloodlines etc, I don't think purebreed breeders are doing any harm here. It is people who don't plan their litters that should be stopped.

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    I was never suggesting that registered breeders were bad, i was commenting on the fact that although i dont agree with some of the topics animal activists rave on about, some of their points i do find valid. All i was doing was posting a statement that i had read in a book and it got me thinking. No bad word against ethical, rule-abiding breeders here.

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    Yeah sorry, that was because I finally actually managed to watch the vid!

    It just annoys me that organisations like PETA put people off-side because for most people they go a step too far and appear to be anti everything. I used to be a vegetarian when I lived in Europe because I knew cattle were often held in appalling conditions there. When I came to Australia and saw the wide open space, I decided that I'd be pretty happy to be a cow here and started eating meat again. I would prefer if all cattle was killed on the farm etc... and I admit I could do better sourcing my meat from more ethical sources.

    Anywho, PETA is against killing animals for food, against using animal products like leather, against zoos, and against some wildlife management practices too. There are other organisations there who concentrate on preventing cruelty against animals, which doesn't necessary include being against killing them or locking them up per se.

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    i agree, i for one don't agree with some of the culling procedures & transportation of cattle but i does not put me off eating steak. I have cut down the amount of meat i eat to try and "hit them where it hurts" (in the pocket) so to speak, but i don't agree that every single person should become a vegetarian.

    I am all for banning the use of animals in circuses, zoo's and any other practice who uses wild animals for human entertainment. They should be left in the wild regardless of whether they are endangered or not. I couldn't see what all the hoopla was against zoo's as i thought they were for good - conservation and all that stuff, but turns out zoo's are not beneficial in saving species and their breeding programmes barely work, so it has left me to question the validity of them. However i can sort of see the light through some of these practices, If i wasn't for the few captive animals available for humans to see the beauty in them, then maybe we wouldn't bother in helping them at all.... however i think the beauty is actually being able to see them roam free in the wild.

    For me, these people have their hearts in the right place and do go too far in some instances. I don't agree with forcing your opinion on people like some of these organisations do, but i do think that everybody has a right to voice their opinion it's up to you whether you want to listen or not.

    I wouldn't go as far as to say that breeders are as bad as the KKK or PETA is as bad as the KKK, nothing can compare to their despicable crimes and i think it's offensive to even suggest so.

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    As far as atrocities go, PETA's kill rates in their shelter are pretty well up there.

    And captive breeding plays a vast role in worldwide wildlife preservation and management now. Look at the Southern Corroboree Frog, decimated by human activites in it's environment, then pretty much finished off by the 2003 bushfires. The last few were rounded up and held in captivity. Now, after nearly a decade of intensive work both in the captive breeding centre and in the field, restoring important habitat, they are being released back into the wild where they should be.

    Zoos and captive management provide vital links in preservation and conservation. Zoos in wesetrn countries are now some of the best sanctuaries for endangered species, not just entertainment.

    And lets not forget the animal rights activisits who set free all those sad fur-farmed minks in England several decades ago... Animal liberatn tactics at it's very worst. The mink was unleashed on an environment completely unprepared for it's ferocity and hunting ability, and extinctions of other species have resulted.

    There is one thing I can never get my head around about the animal rights/go vegan movement too. Plants have been shown in some studies to show signs of pain and or suffering. Legitimate studies. Pants are certainly living things, here to grow and procreate and live their own lives. Yet we use them and discard them, inbreed and mutilate them... Sound nuts? Sure! But any more or less nuts than some of the manipulative animal rights propaganda that gets bandied about??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    As far as atrocities go, PETA's kill rates in their shelter are pretty well up there.

    And captive breeding plays a vast role in worldwide wildlife preservation and management now. Look at the Southern Corroboree Frog, decimated by human activites in it's environment, then pretty much finished off by the 2003 bushfires. The last few were rounded up and held in captivity. Now, after nearly a decade of intensive work both in the captive breeding centre and in the field, restoring important habitat, they are being released back into the wild where they should be.

    Zoos and captive management provide vital links in preservation and conservation. Zoos in wesetrn countries are now some of the best sanctuaries for endangered species, not just entertainment.

    And lets not forget the animal rights activisits who set free all those sad fur-farmed minks in England several decades ago... Animal liberatn tactics at it's very worst. The mink was unleashed on an environment completely unprepared for it's ferocity and hunting ability, and extinctions of other species have resulted.

    There is one thing I can never get my head around about the animal rights/go vegan movement too. Plants have been shown in some studies to show signs of pain and or suffering. Legitimate studies. Pants are certainly living things, here to grow and procreate and live their own lives. Yet we use them and discard them, inbreed and mutilate them... Sound nuts? Sure! But any more or less nuts than some of the manipulative animal rights propaganda that gets bandied about??
    Like i said, everybody is well within their rights to form and voice an opinion. Your are entitled to yours and i am entitled to mine. I certainly don't agree with the validity of zoo's anymore than i agree that sea world is a "conservation" programme. Each to their own, you cannot shove what you believe down anybodies throat.

    Still don't believe that PETA is as bad as the KKK. I would say it would be pretty insulting to those who were victims of the KKK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuri_89 View Post

    Still don't believe that PETA is as bad as the KKK. I would say it would be pretty insulting to those who were victims of the KKK.
    You do realise that PETA called breeders as bad as the KKK. So where is your outrage at that?

    Also I think you should re-read what I said. My comment was that I would MORE liken PETA to the KKK then breeders, not that they are as bad as the KKK. As in they have more similarities to the KKK then any breeder does. Totally different thing.

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