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    Oh Gak. Hang in there, easy for me to say though. We are here for you and DO take advantage of Natty's offer. She is great and a wealth of information.

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    Oh gawd. Don't hesitate to call if you need to ok? Even if it's 2am... Most very experienced breeders would be overwhelmed in your situation.

    Do you have any friends or family that might be able to help out for a few feeds a day so you can get any rest?

    What are the antibiotics called? She may still make some milk, or has the vet advised to keep them off her?

    If Tip has even a little milk, and the vet has said it's ok for them to nurse, keep them on her if you can, just to keep what she has going. Hopefully once the she finishes her meds it will kick back in.

    A great trick for increasing milk supply is Fenugreek. I soak the seeds in boiling water like tea, then strain and mix the tea with milk replacer and give to the bitch to drink.

    My last pups we had retained placentas and no milk to start out, then too much milk and mastitis, antibiotics and runny puppy bums. But at peak feeding my bitch was drinking over 5 litres of milk, as well as more water than normal to keep up with the volume of milk the litter was consuming - daily - so the fluid intake can be huge.

    If your pups are allowed to feed from Tip when she's having her meds, they will likely need probiotics (like protexin) to counter the stomach upset antibiotics can cause them.

    I have a full pack of fenugreek here, can stick it and some protexin to mix into puppies formula in express post tomorrow morning if that helps at all? Pm me postal address if it does. It should get to you on Friday.

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    Thanks natty will take u up on that offer to call if i need to

    She is on Amoxyclav and the vet said to let pups be on her as much as possible,dont think she would have it any other way really as she almost knocked me over to get to pups when she got home
    I asked vet will milk come back when she done on antibotics and he said probably not as her milk wont come in, i dont tend to agree i think she got milk there but just not much the biggest of the pups are getting in there and getting feed its the smaller ones that arnt ive just finished feeding them the others seem fine for now but will watch them all closely

    Since being home she has had a good feed of chicken mince and drank about 600mls of that milk powder i made her, i did add some of the Fenugreek tea to it as i already have that here for myself from breastfeeding and still use it sometimes as our youngest son is 1 and still breastfed so when i read your post about it i thought great i can use that to boost her supply too same as i have for myself was going to ask but u beat me to it I know it works great for me hopefully it will help her too

    where can i get probiotics (like protexin) for the pups? I have some powder probiotics here in the fridge i have given to my boys when they have been on antibotics but i guess that the stuff u are talking bout is just for animals?
    Last edited by Liss05; 01-04-2012 at 09:14 PM.

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    Great news that you have some fenugreek! They usually seem to love the taste too which helps.

    Any probiotics will do, even Yakult will help - is awesome for baby fruit bats too...

    Protexin you can get at your vets, or maybe a good pet supply place.

    See how you go with he milk, we had bugger-all for nearly a week in July, and I thought I would keel over with all the feeding. Then it just took off. Retained material or uterine infection can interfere with the hormonal changes that start the milk supply. Once the uterus starts to settle normally the milk can still come in late. Will cross fingers anyway!
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    I went and had an hours sleep before the pups needed feeding again woke up and I just went and checked them and done the count make sure they are all ok and I keep counting 10 couldn't find 11th so I got all pups up put em in a box and tips got up missing pup was under her dead ****ing hell I was only just there not long before!! She has gotten up to drink and layed back down on it is my guess just had a good cry and said to hubby I think u get more attached to them more cause your bottle feeding them non stop...

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    Awww that is so sad! I dont know what to say.....

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    What a shit night can nothing go bloody right!!!

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    oh I'm so sorry to here that! Poor bubba!

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    Sorry to hear about the pup........You are certainly having a tough time, so much work, so many puppies and you are breast-feeding too. Just make sure you also look after yourself. Hopefully you can find someone or two to help you.
    Take care
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    Oh Liss. You're not getting much of a break these days!

    It happens. It happens all the time, in spite of the best care ok?

    We nearly lost one like that, and I was standing right next to the whelping box! Had I been one metre further away I wouldn't have heard the little tiny squeak. As it was, after seconds he was blue and limp and needed mouth to mouth. So I was extemely lucky... that time. Usually we're not so lucky when it happens. Even people who have been breeding for years and years.

    And I know it's devastating.

    You're doing great ok? This wasn't your fault, or Tip's. It's just a crappy thing that happens.


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