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    Is it just me or is it becoming incredibly hard to find a good working line GSD that isn't out of the Military/police breeding programme? They all seem to have sloped backs, which i suspect is due to them being breed for show theses days rather than working dogs.

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    Many good breeders around but not on here I suspect. I like the dogs of Von Forell in Melbourne but there are others around. Why don't you like the police or military dog breeders? They use the same lines as many sch and guard dog people. What do you want an East for? I have never seen one with what I call a show-back - and there are no shows for East GSD in Australia so not sure what you mean by that comment.

    Personally, I went for VF due to not only their great dogs but also pre- and post-sale interactions and help. Plus their health testing and health and temperament guarantees.

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    There are still some working lines that are actually doing herding work.....We have one here locally and her owner knows of several others. This dog is doing well at herding Trials in Victoria.

    And i agree Luke, there are still many GSD lines that have the bad show-line Breeding, sloped back. And some seem extremely cow-hocked. But i also think the GSD people are truly trying to get their working GSD back again. I have a lot of interaction with our local GSD Club and some of their dogs are quite nice.
    My Father was a breeder and Trainer of GSD's, until he passed, so I am very familiar with them. He bred and trained for the RAAF and Police, so they were working lines. But we also used to show ours till they got their Championships in GSD specialties only. So you did not have to have the sloping back to do well.......There is still a certain amount of Showmanship involved and in GSD showing a lot of running....you should go to a GSD Specialty show one day and you will see that you cannot have an unsound dog win. There is quite a lot involved now with Breeding healthy GSD's belong to their Clubs and registered by them. I truly believe they are trying to improve the breed again. there was just a hiccup for a while. Seriously go to a Specialty Show one day. And there you will be able to meet good breeders, or at least get some names of dogs you like
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    I love the military and police breeding programme dogs. I was just saying that i couldnt seem to find any outside of it. I have 2 already both are what i would call a straight backed shepherd! Most people now why i have my other 2, i'm just looking for a shepherd that will be a bit more eager to play with my swiss shepherd. The other 2 are a lot older than her and put up with her until they have had enough, then she gets told off by Edge! i prefer working lines as i find them more switched on and easier to train, but that is just my experience. (i've only dealt with one non working line shepherd and he was a pain haha the rest have been working dogs). I have plenty of room for another, i am even looking at a belgian or a dutch shepherd at the moment. I was just wondering why a fair few dogs have that sloped back.

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    West GSD show line dogs will always have more of a sloping back than East working lines - that is the standard and what judges are looking for. Always has been and always will be. Aus are not like the US or UK but they are simply different dogs and should not be compared. Yes, there are some very beautiful show dogs but they are just that - show dogs. Still many great pets but they are not working lines. A working dog will not suit everyone - but it does me and my family. Working line dogs are not necessarily more active, aggresive or hyper. In fact my experience is the opposite. I find them calmer and more stable and better around kids than many of the Wests and unpedigreeded (but obviously from west lines) dogs. If you want a working line dog - buy one? There are plenty of breeders around you just need to go to the right place - working dog forums for example. But make sure they are from stable good-temperement parents and that the breeder is not just looking for the biggest and baddest dog. The breed should not be mixed either - although there was some mixing in the early days before Easts were readily available and some Wests were used to supplement lines.

    Go to Von Forell and see some nice dogs and give them a call to chat about whether you arr suitable to own a east and whether they are suitable for your situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeDG View Post
    I love the military and police breeding programme dogs. I was just saying that i couldnt seem to find any outside of it. I have 2 already both are what i would call a straight backed shepherd! Most people now why i have my other 2, i'm just looking for a shepherd that will be a bit more eager to play with my swiss shepherd. The other 2 are a lot older than her and put up with her until they have had enough, then she gets told off by Edge! i prefer working lines as i find them more switched on and easier to train, but that is just my experience. (i've only dealt with one non working line shepherd and he was a pain haha the rest have been working dogs). I have plenty of room for another, i am even looking at a belgian or a dutch shepherd at the moment. I was just wondering why a fair few dogs have that sloped back.
    Least I'm not the only one who has found this!

    Mind you, my solution was find a Malinois (which I still haven't found the right one and probably won't for a couple of years yet)....

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    my 2 GSDs are both working line dogs and are calm (as they are mature) But i want another pup for my swiss shepherd pup. I,ve got the space, knowledge and experience with these types of dogs, i'm just getting more into the whole blood lines thing.

    Ange if i find a good Malinos or even one that didnt make it into the RAAf i'll let you know!!!!!!

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    Thanks!

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    If you are into working line Malinois............When i met these people a couple of years ago at a Training Seminar with Craig Murray, they were importing dogs from Holland to breed.......Not sure how it went, but they are still doing Training

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    I met one of their Malinois and it was impressive

    We used to have a Tervueren, so I have always had an interest in Belgians. And I also like the Dutch Shepherd, never owned one, but i do know one
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    NordenStamm - Malinois Kennels Gold Coast

    still have a few GSds with sloped back back for the Malinos they seem to be at the top for breeders in Australia, my RAAF mate has a lot to do with these breeders, cant believe i didnt ask him sooner!!

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