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    Smile Newbie Cocker Spaniel Owner- WANT TO BECOME A BREEDER!!!

    So i bought my first "purebred" dog.
    A BEAUTIFUL 6 month old blue roan cocker spaniel girl.
    I am now a self proclaimed cocker spaniel nut! lol
    She came from a registered breeder up past newcastle who kept her and her as they were both pick of the litter for showing..
    When they reached five months old she made the decision that her sister made the cut better than my sasha baby so she decided to sell her as a pet.
    She does not have any papers however is from papered parents.
    The breeder has assured me if i want to breed her ( which i do when she is old enough) that she will make great pups (with the right dog) and that i should go ahead.
    I guess i want to know how i would go about getting a stud for her?? would somebody breed their dog with my girl even though she has no papers?? what colour should i/ and shouldnt i breed a blue roan with? or is there no preference?
    This is the beginning of what i hope will turn into a lifestyle change to a dog breeder ( of cocker spaniels of course)
    I want to see how she goes and how i go getting her bred, then if all goes well i will look into getting into showing/ and or breeding.
    Any CONSTRUCTIVE feedback would be great
    thanks for reading guys!

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    I don't know if you'll find this constructive or not but...

    Get a second opinion. You MUST have the main register papers for your girl to show her. Speak to her breeder and tell them that you want her papers (if both parents are papered and they are showing her litter sister they have papers for the litter).

    Get the opinion of judges. Kennel blindness is a very common thing. This is where a breeder believes that their dogs are amazing, the best they can be when in fact they may not be. That is why a second opinion is your best bet of having an accurate idea of how good your girl is.

    I don't know about cockers specifically - I'm fairly sure that there are some cocker spaniel people here, but NO stud dog owner with papers that is from the best lines etc will breed their dog to your bitch without her having papers. It's not a good investment on their part as the dogs can only be pets/companion animals they cannot be shown.

    On a more personal note, I think you need to do more research into being a breeder - the good and the bad, the possible complications. You need to know about any and all health issues that may happen with your bitch or her off spring. She needs extensive health testing, not just a basic vet check. You need to test for any of the genetic health defects that may happen with cockers.

    If you can't get her papers, on main register, desex her and try again with another breeder. Your girl could be the perfect example of the breed but those papers are what you need to be a registered breeder. Other than your kennel name etc.

    Hope one of the other people here adds more! This is all I can think of for the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan4nas View Post
    So i bought my first "purebred" dog.
    A BEAUTIFUL 6 month old blue roan cocker spaniel girl.
    I am now a self proclaimed cocker spaniel nut! lol
    She came from a registered breeder up past newcastle who kept her and her as they were both pick of the litter for showing..
    When they reached five months old she made the decision that her sister made the cut better than my sasha baby so she decided to sell her as a pet.
    She does not have any papers however is from papered parents.
    The breeder has assured me if i want to breed her ( which i do when she is old enough) that she will make great pups (with the right dog) and that i should go ahead.
    I guess i want to know how i would go about getting a stud for her?? would somebody breed their dog with my girl even though she has no papers?? what colour should i/ and shouldnt i breed a blue roan with? or is there no preference?
    This is the beginning of what i hope will turn into a lifestyle change to a dog breeder ( of cocker spaniels of course)
    I want to see how she goes and how i go getting her bred, then if all goes well i will look into getting into showing/ and or breeding.
    Any CONSTRUCTIVE feedback would be great
    thanks for reading guys!
    Sorry, just re read this - she's been sold as a pet. Desex her, go to shows, meet other breeders, learn the breed standard and make some friends then get your first/foundation bitch. If she hasn't made the cut there is a reason, find out what that is first.

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    Thanks, I kind of expected that very reply and do have an answer for you. The reason i want to breed her ( and i WILL NOT if she does not pass all veterinary health checks etc) is to see if this is what i want to do full time. I want to see the work that goes into it and make up my mind after i let her have a litter. I am not in it for money at all, i am genuinely interested in this breed , its temprament, looks etc and i want to look into keeping the breed at its very top standard ( after of course i have extensively researched the breed). I have 25+ possible homes for her litter if i go ahead so her pups will not be going to pet shops etc i cant stand seeing pups or any animal for that matter in pet shops. ( i have a very large family on both my husbands and my sides).
    In the event that i genuinely enjoyed having her bred and want to get into showing and breeding to better the breed I will have her desexed and will talk to another breeder about aqcuiring a quality main registered girl.
    In the even that I genuinely did not enjoy the experience i will have her desexed and get on with my life with one desexed cocker spaniel pet.

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    If she has no papers then it is actually against the ANKC code of ethics for a papered dog to be bred with an unpapered dog.
    Whoever breeds their papered dog with yours could be fined or even struck of the register and banned from showing... not something people would risk so you can have puppies.

    Have a talk to the breeder, see if you can get her papers (they must be main register, as limit registers can't be bred or shown either).

    I would be a little iffy about a breeder selling dogs with no papers, I'm pretty sure you aren't allowed to in most states. Plus if they are giving you the go ahead to breed without them then they aren't very reputable anyway IMO.

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    Ok, so you want to breed dogs to standard, you want to better the breed, but before you do you want to breed a litter that wont be in line with the breed standard? That won't give you anything towards being able to say "I bred this dog/bitch & I'm so proud because he/she is now an Australian Champion"?

    Breeding is a hobby, not a job. Honestly, the shows, research and the rest of the work should ALWAYS come before breeding a litter, otherwise what's the point? Particularly when you don't even know if your dog conforms properly to the breed standard.

    I have a question for you that may seem irrelevant, but have you ever been around animals giving birth?

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    Ok first things first I am 23 years old so i am new to this whole idea so lets talk like i am not like i am an experienced person doing the wrong thing.
    The breeder has told me if i want to breed her to contact her and she may have a stud for me, i only asked on here to get other opinions.
    secondly like i said i am not in it for money i want to get into it because i genuinely enjoy this breed of dog.
    Yes i have been around animals giving birth. My husbands cousin has meat cattle and i have seen a few births, my cat ( found as a stray) was pregnant when she came to me so i watched her give birth...
    And like i said with my girl now she is my pet, i am only interested in breeding her because i want to see if i genuinely enjoy it as i dont want to get into breeding , find out i dont enjoy it, then have many dogs that i need to rehome. My sashas babies all will have homes, and i said that i will extensively research breeding and cocker spaniel breed standards before i get into it. When it comes to researching breeding i have 2 years before i can breed her!
    i think some of you ( as knowledgeable and experienced as you may be) just see that someone wants to breed and you knock them down the first chance you get.
    i am in this for the right reasons not to make money and not so i can "witness" the birth of puppies.
    thanks anyway.

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    In other words i am not breeding my girl for SHOW STANDARD pups, i will be getting her to a vet to make sure she is capable and in the best of health to whelp a litter and these pups will be for pets for members of my family. the litter and experience will decide whether i go ahead and become a breeder of PAPERED cocker spaniels.

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    I'm not trying to do that at all!

    Start small, start with a registered, papered bitch, hire a stud to sire the litter

    I'm just saying don't start off breeding without knowing what you're looking for in your dogs that's all. Take some time and do some research, get to know the other stuff about your breed.

    For the record, I'm not a breeder and I won't breed either. I only want boy dogs anyway & I think it's a bit hard for those to have litters

    I don't want to knock you down, but you should get the papers for your girl and enter her in a couple of shows, see how she does, find out what the judges think of her and go from there. I mean, if you're going to do something you really should do it properly right?

    Since you've been around animals giving birth, you know what the process is like, it's messy and amazing all at once. I wasn't meaning to insult you or to say that you're only doing it to watch a litter, I was asking in direct correlation to something you said yourself. If you liked being around the cat giving birth, didn't care about the mess, didn't think it was gross etc then you'll be fine.

    You don't need a kennel full of dogs to breed. There are tonnes of breeders who have one or two of their own and that's it.

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    I do not want to buy a papered girl until i am ready to begin my "HOBBY" as you like to call it. like i have said twice my family want pups of sasha when she has them so i will be getting all the required needles and microchipping/ worming etc done and giving them to them. no money involved apart from reimbursement of vet costs. Then i will desex her. Then i will decide whether i want to do it full time.
    i think having a litter of kittens may be a bit different to having a litter of pups to help raise too.
    Me wanting sasha to have a litter is not about "showing" or anything like that, they are for pets only. which is not to say that i dont want her having QUALITY pups because i do which is why i enquired about how to find her a stud. ( in both senses of the word!)
    If i endeavour into the world of breeding sasha will not be one of my breeders.
    I also dont want to buy a main registered bitch, breed her to a quality papered male then GIVE show quality pups away with no real purpose which is why i am talking about breeding sasha in the first place.... hope i am now clear.

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