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    They really are gorgeous dogs, such pretty faces and sad eyes. When you find the right breed, you just know.

    There are some breeders who are only in it for the ribbons, but the majority do it because they love the dogs.
    I would never rehome a dog just because it didn't win at shows (I have 2 desexed pets here to prove it!) Mine are all house dogs, 2 of them sleep on the bed (despite my OH's objections ).
    They are family.

    I do hope you don't take my ranting to heart, I get rather passionate about breeding questions.

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    its fine we all have our passionate subjects.. and i do get cranky when i feel i am being misunderstood so dont take that to heart either..
    its funny i ended up a cocker spaniel lover i grew up with boxers and german shepherds!!!

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    I grew up with Great Danes and ended up with Poodles and Chinese Cresteds

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    well thats a change! have to aplaud your enthusiasm for chinese cresteds!!! i find that i cant look at them.....each to their own, i am sure they r probably sweet little things!

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    They are a very acquired taste

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    yeh... the ones that arent naked are quite cute though!!

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    I have had a bit of a read of this thread. She is a lovely dog by the way.

    The whole thing about the breeder not giving papers but offering to find a stud for her is sure the strangest thing I have ever heard. Anyway others have covered that.

    I think what I would do if I was really keen about breeding cockers in the future is to find a mentor, someone reputable who breeds cockers. Also learn about your girl - what her faults and good points are, what her structure is like, what type of stud would complement her, what genetic tests need to be done. You can do all this without breeding her but it will be great for familiarising yourself. Perhaps go to a few shows and check out the cockers and ask questions. See what makes the best cockers.

    I showed my main registered BC for a few times before I sterilised her and there is a lot of sitting around at shows and I found people more than willing to talk about their dogs. The BC crowd were quite happy to talk for ages about what they were looking for.

    You can breed great dogs for pets from show dogs, just because a dog is a show dog doesnt mean it isnt loved. It means that the serious breeder is trying to breed a structurally sound, healthy dog of sound temperament and free of genetic dieases that will be a happy, healthy member of someones family.

    In my mind before you even think of breeding a litter - it is not just about finding good homes and practising it is about ensuring the puppy is free of genetic diseases and of sound temperament and as best as they can be. It is about knowing all you can about cockers. Find out if this is a passion.

    I am more a working dog person and the same applies to working dogs, I have dogs with some great genetics but would never dream of breeding them untill they have proven themsleves as good working dogs.

    Anyway good luck and if you are serious about becoming a breeder of quality cockers become the apprentice and learn all you can before putting a litter on the ground. Be a breeder of quality and really know your stuff first.

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    thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan4nas View Post
    the story is, i bought a dog of a REGISTERED breeder, as a pet, after getting her i decided i wanted to breed her, so i came on here for opinions, THEN after SOME constructive feedback i called her and asked about her papers, she told me she can get me her limited registration papers not main because other breeder ( of the mother) requested that all pups sold were to be on limited register or no papers, (as pet) so there is nothing she can do. she told me if i want to breed her she is a perfectly good bitch and she will make nice pups with the right dog. i asked her why she didnt keep her and if she is not up to breed standards and she said that was not the case at all. she either kept her sister or her and they were as good as each other but she could not keep both, she said that her sister would have been too hard to sell because she needs an operation to correct an ?umbilical hernia? and most people would not want the added expense of doing that so she sold my girl.
    thats it. i dont know how that implies that she is not a good breeder or does not care about the welfare of her pups or anything else you have said about her.
    and the snide remarks about me well you have no idea what sort of person i am so i dont care. have a nice day all of you.
    Sorry, I haven't read all the thread as yet so I hope I am not repeating anything.

    Your breeder is either telling you a crock of **** or she is not what I would consider a breeder worth developing a relationship with.

    Lets look at what she has told you here. She wanted to keep one good dog. Why? To continue a breeding program perhaps? Seems logical. She knows that she has sold you a dog without papers (which is against her code of ethics if she is a registered breeder), and at best, a dog on limited register.

    The 'limited register' means that the dog is not meant to be bred from. You can not apply to register her puppies. A breeder may do this is if they feel the dog is not up to breed standard or if they decide they want to 'control' their lines.

    Registering puppies and having access to their ancestoral history is important when you are breeding dogs. The fact they you can research the dogs in the family tree to determine if they have genetic diseases that can cause serious issues is important. If a dog does not have papers, you do not know what is in their genetic make-up. Having papers mind you does not resolve that issue entirely and to think so would be foolish, but it certainly does give you a head start.

    If you breed this girl with another registered dog then the owner of that dog, if a breeder, is also breaking the code of ethics. On top of this, you will then have a litter of pups that have no ancestoral record. One of those pups may then also be bred from, and the records are even further away. If there is a bad genetic disease in the lines, no-one will know and the problem keeps spreading. It spreads exponentially too.... think of the std and aids ads.

    You, as the initial breeder are responsible for that. You might be creating a long line of misery for future dogs that are yet to be born. Now, I may sound like an alarmist, and I agree to a point that I do. But I am illustrating the reaosn why we have papers for purebred dogs and the importance of those papers. It isn't a 'dog show' thing. It is a health thing.

    Papers are important. Knowing ancestoral history is important.

    This registered breeder is advising you to breed the dog even though she is either a) paperless or b) on a limited register. This astounds me. If you do decide to become a breeder, then I recommend you find another person to mentor you and I certainly wouldn't be choosing the breeder you have purchased your girl from.
    Last edited by Anne; 05-10-2011 at 09:08 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crested_Love View Post
    They really are gorgeous dogs, such pretty faces and sad eyes. When you find the right breed, you just know.

    There are some breeders who are only in it for the ribbons, but the majority do it because they love the dogs.
    I would never rehome a dog just because it didn't win at shows (I have 2 desexed pets here to prove it!) Mine are all house dogs, 2 of them sleep on the bed (despite my OH's objections ).
    They are family.

    I do hope you don't take my ranting to heart, I get rather passionate about breeding questions.
    Just on the subject of re-homing... I have no objection to breeders retiring their dogs from the show or breeding world, and re-homing them.

    If a breeder is serious about their breeding prgogram, they need to have access to dogs that are of good stock and it is important that they have a good and varied selection of dogs to breed from to continue a program for any length of time and quality. They can't keep breeding the same dogs again and again.

    Therefore, what is a breeder to do when they want to continue with a breeding program and they only have one or two bitches? They may be under restriction from Council to only keep a certain number of dogs. They may have their own personal limits on how many dogs they can adequately care for.

    Also, if a person keeps many dogs they are often called 'collectors' and looked down upon. We also attribute the term 'farmer' to people who have lots of dogs and who breed.

    There are many postitives in re-homing dogs.
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

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