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Thread: Newbie Cocker Spaniel Owner- WANT TO BECOME A BREEDER!!!

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    ok the last post i wrote is just to inform you why my dog does not have papers. she does not sell dogs on main register to protect her breeding. ]however she said this dog would have done well in the ring and will possibly make nice pups if i decide to breed her to get good PETS. she cant keep every single dog that she thinks will do good! for some people dogs are about not JUST breed standards but ALSO companionship. and no i am not childish just baffled how if ANYONE on here asks for help there is no help without rude comments to follow. yes it started informative...
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    and when it come to your comment about byb, there are many of you REGISTERED breeders who treat your dogs a hell of alot worse. they arent just reputation builders they are loving animals who deserve to be loved back. have a great life im done. bye

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    This breeder sounds something like the guy that bred my two.

    He sold the first litter (Boof's) for $500 with out papers or $1000 with papers, but he actually registered all the pups with the CCCQ (I now have Boof's). The guy that originally bought Boof off him did so with the thought of advertising him in the local pocket trader as a studd dog (yes without papers, very handy when they are Amstaffs huh - he only paid the $500 so never got the papers, they were issued by CCCQ though).

    The second litter (Lilly's) he chose not to register as the bitch got into pup in consecutive seasons (as you would be aware that is not approved by the CCCQ). Even when I approached him and said I would pay for ALL the pups papers to be issued (they were from the same parents as Boof) he refused as he didn't want the warning letter.

    We adopted Boof n Lilly off the same guy, they were 11 and 4 months respectively. He purchased them both off the breeder, both as entire dogs. I have since had them both desexed.

    ALL the pups were sold undesexed with NO contract requiring desexing. Is this what you call a BYB of Purebreds?

    I just tell you this story so you understand that there are breeders out there producing Main Registered pups with NO showing what so ever and no concern for the pups welfare after the point of sale.

    I'm not implying the OPs breeder has no concern for the welfare of her pups, but this guy clearly didn't.
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    My Lord! I thought you wanted to breed to better the breed?

    The breed standard is there to tell you what the dog should look like. What it's temperment should be, it's working ability etc. It gives you an idea of what the perfect example of that breed is and that is what every breeder should be striving for.

    Just because a dog has come from amazing lines doesn't mean it's up to the standard!

    Why didn't she sell you the dog on a breeding contract then? Dual ownership, so she can be shown by you, kept by you but the breeder has a say in which dog she is bred to etc? This is VERY common. There is plenty of help, and you have been given plenty of opinions and assistance. You don't want it because we're not telling you what you want to hear.

    You asked what we thought. We've given that to you. Our opinions aren't going to change on this issue. We have come to those opinions thanks to real world experience, working with rescues, breeding or simply making sure we know as much as we can know about our pets.

    You are completely missing what we are saying and IMO that's your loss.

    I'm out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan4nas View Post
    and when it come to your comment about byb, there are many of you REGISTERED breeders who treat your dogs a hell of alot worse. they arent just reputation builders they are loving animals who deserve to be loved back. have a great life im done. bye
    I have rescue dogs. I'm not a breeder, but I do plan on having a registered purebred dog eventually. I can point you in the direction of a few breeders with charges waiting to be filed against them. So yes we work on getting rid of those too - not just BYB's.

    I'll give you half a point for the attempt at an insult though...

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    most of that was just the same, " you dont want to hear our info" story as every other post u all have given me but that was the first time you have given me any INFO!! what does dual ownership entail???

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    Any reason then, not to ask the breeder for a recommended sire?

    Or, you could ask to be involved in the breeder's next planned litter to get a really good 'inside experience'...

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    Thanks for the first positive information i have recieved! telling me what i am doing is wrong is not information! what does dual ownership entail?? she has told me that it was at the request of the other breeder ( i got the pup through the fathers breeder), so do u believe the other breeder would agree to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan4nas View Post
    most of that was just the same, " you dont want to hear our info" story as every other post u all have given me but that was the first time you have given me any INFO!! what does dual ownership entail???
    I have given you plenty of information that you do refuse to take in.

    Ask your breeder about dual ownership. If she's willing to do it then she can explain to you her terms - I don't know what her terms would be.

    I do echo V&F's suggestion.

    Dual ownership is the first suggestion that even remotely coincides with what you want to do at the bottom line which is breed your dog.

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    and yes she has told me she knows of someone with a nice dog... i dont know about his papers etc though... just wanted other opinions is all... i dont want to argue anymore though, everyone has made there points so thats that

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