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    I think you took offence to everything I wrote after I didn't roll around at your feet agreeing with you, patting you on the back telling you you're doing the right thing. I think if you clear your mind and read what I've said with a clear head and without believing that I'm trying to attack you, you may see what I actually wrote and hey you might even see some sense in it.

    I don't agree with what you're doing. I think it's morally & ethically wrong on so many levels it's not funny. You asked for constructive and I tried to be constructive. I was never saying don't breed.

    Yes you are 23 years old. You have TONNES of things to learn. Hell I'm 28 and I have TONNES of things to learn and I've been around dogs my entire life, literally. You don't want to do the research and make the effort before hand and it's your dog and your dogs puppies that will suffer in the long run. You won't know if your dog has quality puppies because you have NO information to base that on. You stated yourself that you don't know the breed standard, that's the one document that ALL of your breeding efforts should be aiming for.

    The actual birthing process is the same, raising is different but you made no mention of that. Why not foster some litters of puppies for your local pound? It's the same experience and your family members can still get puppies from that AND you'll be literally saving their lives from the green dream.

    You won't get a quality stud for your dog. You will get one that is basically the same as your dog. You will have no proof of it's background and no way of knowing if it's a good example of the breed or not, because you don't know what the standard is or what to look for, you don't have a mentor to help you either, evidently not an ethical one anyway.

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    Thanks for your help. I dont need anyone to question my morals or ethics. This forum is actually both purebred and crossbred so i can imagine the way you feel about people who let their 3 time crossbred bitch mate with a 4 time crossbred dog.
    Ok maybe mine was not the "perfect" idea of starting off but it was not harmful and no dogs nor puppies were going to be left on the street from it. sorry i wasted your time in getting so frustrated with my ideas...
    AND I LIKE MY STOMACH PATTED NOT MY BACK! good day.

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    To give you an idea, I bought my first CCD over a year ago.
    When I first bought him I had it in the back of my mind that I would like to breed him, but it certainly wasn't a definite.

    The deciding point for me was when he started winning big awards at shows and was recognized by others in my breed as being a darn nice dog.

    I don't see the point in breeding purebreds if you aren't doing it to "better the breed", you say you aren't interested in breeding show quality puppies but that is pretty much the whole point of breeding... to produce, healthy, quality puppies.

    Showing dogs is what helps you understand what makes a good dog and what makes a mediocre one.
    I haven't been involved in my current breed for long at all, before Chinese Cresteds I had Shih Tzu. I am not planning on having a litter for another 2 YEARS.
    I am getting a bitch later this year who will hopefully be put to the male I am currently campaigning.
    But that is just the plan, it is not set in stone. The bitch is only 6 months old, she still has to prove herself in the ring yet.

    A lot of people assume that show people are breedist snobs, but that is not the case at all, we are just very selective about what dogs we use. If you are going to put your heart, soul and hard earned cash into breeding, you want to get something out of it, and for us it is beautiful dogs and the prestige of winning.

    When you decide to show you will need to join the ANKC and local KC, have a look at the code of ethics and see if your plans will break any of these rules: Australian National Kennel Council

    I'm not trying to "knock you down" as you put it, I just really do not see the point in breeding a litter of unpapered, non show quality dogs just to see if you like it.
    Last edited by Crested_Love; 05-09-2011 at 05:11 PM.

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    I don't understand why a breeder would recommend you breed from a dog who didn't make the cut and was sold as a pet. The breeder should have got the dog desexed before selling.
    I honestly think you are telling fibs.

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    Oh you already let fly in this one Crested ♥♥♥

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    On it like white on rice

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    Oh my lord, i am not telling fibs, i had a speak to her this afternoon and she told me she can get me limited registration papers and this is only because it was verbal contract with the owner of the mum, that the only pups kept on main register were not to be sold to protect their breeding. she said my girl was a perfectly good, even show quality girl but she cant keep all of them so she sold her as a pet ( as per the verbal agreement between the parties). now... would i make all of that up! you people and your snide remarks... its a wonder why their arent many people wishing to get info off experienced breeders. this was all just me having thoughts, it wasnt me getting on here after an accidental pregnancy with my undesexed crossbreed who got out and mated with god knows what because i didnt close the gate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan4nas View Post
    Oh my lord, i am not telling fibs, i had a speak to her this afternoon and she told me she can get me limited registration papers and this is only because it was verbal contract with the owner of the mum, that the only pups kept on main register were not to be sold to protect their breeding. she said my girl was a perfectly good, even show quality girl but she cant keep all of them so she sold her as a pet ( as per the verbal agreement between the parties). now... would i make all of that up! you people and your snide remarks... its a wonder why their arent many people wishing to get info off experienced breeders. this was all just me having thoughts, it wasnt me getting on here after an accidental pregnancy with my undesexed crossbreed who got out and mated with god knows what because i didnt close the gate!
    And we're glad for that. In my first posts, before you got offended and attacked me, I was trying to be informative, nothing more. No one here is going to applaud you being a BYB. That is what you are if you are not a registered breeder (unless breeding working line dogs under a working registry). That is fact not fiction. I have not once made any comment regarding your deal with your dogs breeder. I'm glad it's only thoughts at this stage and I hoped after reading your original post that you would have an open mind, that you would listen to reason and think logically about it.

    You don't like what we're saying because we're not telling you it's a great idea. Until you get over that and actually read what we're saying with an open mind you're going to be angry with us, to insult us and frankly be very childish about it. But perhaps even if this doesn't help you (because you won't allow it to) it will help someone thinking the same thing.

    Believe me, this is nice, gentle and calm even, compared to some of the lynchings I've seen. We are (well I am, pretty sure the others were too) trying to be respectful.

    Today I found out that my next door neighbour, who's bitch had a litter, has taken all 6 of the 12 week old puppies to the vet and had them euthanised because she couldn't find them homes and she didn't want to give them away. The original homes she found them ALL fell through. EVERY one of those was to her family and friends. So yes, this topic is hitting close to my heart at the moment and I am a little emotional BUT I'm trying to keep that out of it.

    BTW, I wasn't judging your morals and ethics. I was saying that according to mine doing what you are doing is morally and ethically wrong. My post is very clear about that. Take a deep breath, walk away, calm down and don't put words or emotions into the posts. Take them as they are, have a think then respond. You'd be surprised at the difference such a simple action makes.

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    None of this makes sense... she is now giving you limit register papers to protect her breeding, but she has told you to go ahead and breed her because she will make lovely pups?
    Either you have misunderstood something or this breeder is a complete whacko.

    There's no need to get defensive, we are doing our best to explain breeding to you, why it should and shouldn't be done and the Kennel Clubs rules, but I am baffled by this breeder is all.

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    It makes no sense at all.
    If your dog was show quality she would have sold her to you at full price with papers.. simple as that.

    Limited register means she will NOT be show quality.
    There is no point in buying a purebred dog on limited register if you intend to breed.
    Basically all it means is that your dog is purebred and will have papers to show lineage but it will state that you can not show or breed with the dog and fully register the pups.

    If the breeder is a real breeder then she would have explained that so all I can assume is that you have misunderstood her or someone is lying.

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