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    Ok well... All I am saying is the papers were offered. So sasha is papered, however I did not see the point of paying extra for a dog for papers if she was not going to be bred or showed.

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    All Ellie was saying is that ethical breeders don't charge extra for the papers as the papers cost a very minimal amount to obtain and this cost is included within the puppy purchase price.

    I'm not sure if I remember correctly but isn't the cost of papers for a litter something like $10 per puppy?

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    ok, well im sure she will give them to me, maybe she was saying it costs extra for main register papers. is there any point though in me getting the limited register papers for her though

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    Yes. They should have your name on them as proof of ownership. It will show you her pedigree - which is very useful for a multitude of things.

    Proof of ownership and lineage are the two biggest benefits. If she's ever impounded (heaven forbid) or lost those papers can help you get her back too.

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    oh ok. I thought that is what microchipping and registering her with the council is for??.. I can understand her pedigree would be good to have in cases of hereditary things..

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    Actually, her pedigree is not legal proof of owenrship at all. Neither is a microchip. If you have a reciept for her sale, you have proof of ownership regardless of whose name she is chipped in or registered in.

    You can even show ownership without a receipt. Posession is 9/10ths of the law as they say. This saying isn't made of air exactly and it does hold some creedence in some situations.

    The breeder sounds disreputable as has been stated. She is obliged to supply a pedigree with the pup. It should be part of the sale, not in addition to. If the dog does not come with papers, you can not ever prove it is a pedigree.

    The pedigree gives you ancestoral history. It shows evidence of the pedigree acestory lines of your dog.

    I ran a Pug rescue. if a dog came to me without papers I could only ehtically say it appeared to be purebred. Without papers, I could not claim it was pure. I had no evidence to say it was.
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    its ok... i dont mind either way. sasha is our family pet, she is up to date with vacc, chipping and worming and will be desexed. she has a loving home here with or without papers so i honestly dont understand what the huge deal is.

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    I guess the huge deal is not yours. It is the fact that the breeder is the kind of breeder that gives others a bad name.

    It is great that your little one has ended up in the right home, with someone who is prepared to do the right thing and is loving and caring. This doesn't absolve the breeder's responsibilites though.

    Enjoy your dog and just accept that those of us who care about the ethics of breeding will want to vent our displeasure at breeders like this.
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    Anne, what happens in the case of not recieving a reciept from the breeder to say that you have paid for a puppy from them?

    I know with most rescues you get a receipt, but a lot of breeders don't actually provide them so how would you prove ownership in that case given that the name on a microchip actually means diddly squat in the eyes of the law?

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