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    Yes I am a registered breeder.

    Do I believe that only reputable registered breeders should breed dogs? Big FAT yes.

    In a nutshell if an unwanted mating occurred between two of my dogs I would terminate that pregnancy, regardless of the fact that I could easily fulfill the need to find homes, or the fact that they would be cared for, raised with experience and knowledge, purebred, registered, vet checked, microchipped vaccinated and come with a puppy package and lifetime support and return.

    The fact remains that it was unplanned and there are methods to terminate.

    So the choice to continue or abort is a decision I can make.

    If anyone would like to know how to tell if a bitch is in season feel free to visit my home now, if you would like to know how a male acts around a bitch in season feel free to visit now.

    I give you 5 minutes and you will be begging to leave, last week when both girls were right in season I'd give you one minute and you wouldn't have been able to get out of the house fast enough.

    I have offered my support in the past to people with bitches in whelp and I will do so now and will do so in the future, but I will always tell them of the options open to them first. Do I believe they are being irresponsible not to take up that option - yes. But I still offer them support.

    This is a purebred and crossbred forum, but it doesn't mean we just breed either willy nilly.

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    Very well said MAC & thank you for posting

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    MAC, you have perfectly summed up my opinion.
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    Great post MAC, and as is per usual with you, you have managed to get it across and out there without being abusive, riduculing, degrating or being rude to anyone.
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    I'm not a registared breeder but I am a responsible pet owner and agree with everything you have said!

    As you know I recently got my 6 month old girl desexed! It was so hard to watch her struggle to walk and cry out in pain in the first 24 hours and I still feel a pang of guilt when I see the stitches on her pink little belly BUT I know I did the right thing for our pet dog!

    I don't have the knowledge or skills to prevent an unwanted pregnancy nor to do all the things needed if she was to have puppies!

    In saying that, no one is perfect, accidents do happen, not everyone has it in them to abort their dogs puppies and I think that there will, unfortunately, always be "oops litters" and backyard breeders!

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    Yes Amy, I'm not expecting everyone to be rational. But I'm hoping that someone may in the future see this thread and think with their head and not their heart. If it is unplanned why go there??? If you haven't got a mentor, why go there??

    If you don't like seeing Poppy with stitches and wobbling around then you certainly wouldn't cope with her having puppies so have done the right thing, not that I suspected for a moment that you would do otherwise.

    A bitch is not going to miss her puppies, she is not going to mourn what might have been, she is going to move on and live as dogs do day to day. The only person who is going to feel guilty is us. But guilty of what?

    I wouldn't risk my beloved girls if I didn't know what I was doing. And while everyone has to start somewhere I think it's best to start with dogs with a proven track record and the real life support of experienced people who can be there for you, right next to the whelping box training you. Telling you if it's time to get her into the car and to the vet or to leave her alone.

    Chances are it will all go according to plan. But what if it doesn't?

    And it hasn't stopped there. I don't sleep well for the first 3 weeks of the puppies life so many things can still go wrong. Then after that I don't sleep well because they have become little monsters who wake and eat and play and poop and wrestle and fight & and I have so many things to do like plan their socialisation to noise and objects and other dogs and kids and tall men and on and on it goes.

    But for me it still goes back to if it wasn't planned, then why continue?

    I don't think I've been rude to anyone who has had an unplanned litter, I've been more than helpful, I have not bombarded them with information about shelters or how many dogs get put down a day etc. but for the life of me I truly do not understand why they would want to go ahead with it for any other reason than they see cute puppies at the end of the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    I don't think I've been rude to anyone who has had an unplanned litter, I've been more than helpful, I have not bombarded them with information about shelters or how many dogs get put down a day etc. but for the life of me I truly do not understand why they would want to go ahead with it for any other reason than they see cute puppies at the end of the line.
    What wrong with attempting to apply the guilt trip?
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    What wrong with it is that I think it immediately makes them dig their heels in; it immediately brings forward others to post in support of them. If it is a wind up then they get enjoyment from it, if possible new members are looking at the site it will turn them away.

    Unless they've been living under a rock they know there are plenty of puppies and adult dogs and bitches in whelp etc in the shelters/pounds/rescues across the world.

    When really just the facts need to be told to them about termination, that bitches move on and are not sentimental, nor do dogs feel guilt etc etc and the risks.

    Then if they still want to go ahead we give them information to make this as easy as possible for the bitch and the puppies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy86 View Post
    I'm not a registared breeder but I am a responsible pet owner and agree with everything you have said!

    As you know I recently got my 6 month old girl desexed! It was so hard to watch her struggle to walk and cry out in pain in the first 24 hours and I still feel a pang of guilt when I see the stitches on her pink little belly BUT I know I did the right thing for our pet dog!

    I don't have the knowledge or skills to prevent an unwanted pregnancy nor to do all the things needed if she was to have puppies!

    In saying that, no one is perfect, accidents do happen, not everyone has it in them to abort their dogs puppies and I think that there will, unfortunately, always be "oops litters" and backyard breeders
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    I don't believe in these so called "oops" litters. If you have an undesexed dog then you have a chance of it getting pregnant. The pain from desexing is a hell of a lot better than the stress the body would go through having a litter.

    There is more than enough information out there now to stop these unplanned litters and educate the Public on just how many unwanted dogs die in shelters but I believe that the monetary gain in selling pups is far greater to some people than the guilt they might feel that by having these so called unplanned litters, they may be contributing to the numbers of dogs in shelters.

    My bitza is from a litter where the mum was a resuce who was not desexed by the rescuer and got preggers. All pups were sold undesexed and unvaccinated and the pup they kept not desexed. I used to believe it was an oops litter but sorry if you run undesexed dogs together it will happen. It isn't rocket science thats for sure!!

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    I'm very happy with Frosty from Animal Welfare League.

    But going out there and knowing so many of the dogs are unwanted - especially the adult ones, and so many of the puppies will boomerang back there...

    It was a traumatic place for both of us, but we're pretty happy now.

    Had extremely crap heel work and retrieve and two brilliant professional looking agility runs this morning at dog school. All we did was watch some Susan Garrett agility training DVDs together. Weird.

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