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    Yep ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashaari View Post
    You would abort even if there was risk to the bitch?
    I would look at the whole situation and weigh up the risk of aborting against the risk of her having the pups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    I guess about now some of us "Agree to disagree" with others "Agreeing to disagree about various degrees of this subject."

    Sounds silly I know but I guess that's where're at.
    People have different opinions on the subject based on their own experiences. It doesn't make either persons opinion right or wrong but at least with discussing it you might allow someone to look at it from another point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BULLYT View Post
    I wouldnt go against what a vet says either but if the vet told me it was possible to late abort and there might be risk, then I would be aborting. Obviously your situation is different in that the vet said its too late.

    Agree, I would have gone with abortion with slight risk too. Especially not being well and now we all know why. Rearing puppies was the last thing I needed.
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    Absolutely BT.

    I agree that discussion, which is what a forum is all about, gives everyone a chance to put their point of view across.

    I'm just not sure that any of us are willing to change our point of view more than we have to date going by the current posts.

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    Differing opinions and respectful discussion on them, to me is a very productive thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meegsndogs View Post
    Can I ask a question that might be a little bit OT.....

    I've heard the argument applied to dogs and cats that a girl should be allowed to have one litter before being desexed, to 'calm her down'.

    While I know this is wrong, I'm not sure of the facts so generally bite my tongue.

    What would you say to people who still hold that opinion? Apart from 'that's bull***t'
    Ok, getting back to this earlier question......
    Mum bred cats, many years ago and she had a variety of different temperments with her girls. Some were ideal show cats, some were ideal mums and some were downright antisocial! However, they were all very loving, beautiful people when they were pregnant and/or feeding. Full of "mummy hormones"! The most difficult girl became the most affectionate lapcat and was adorable. However, once the kittens were weaned and the milk dried up, the cat was back to being its normal, antisocial self. The only diference she ever saw were temporary because of the hormones, never a permanent change in attitude. The same goes for the dogs. Letting her have a litter to "calm her down" works while she's being a mum, but after that goes away, so does the change in attutude/temperment/etc and she's back to normal. It has been said in previous posts, the dog won't miss anything if she never has a litter, they aren't emotionally invested like we are.
    Annoying sidestep, our iggy girl was always into the puppies beds as soon as their mums got up to toilet etc, and she was facinated and seemed to "love" all the pups we had, time and time again we would have to hunt her away from the crate when the real mum came back to bed for fear of her being "reprimanded" for being so close. We thought she'd be an excellent mother when the time came. WRONG!!! She delivered and fed her pups diligently, but wasted no time getting away from them at every opportunity and happily weaned them at 5 weeks, leaving them curled up with the cat instead! So, no more litters for her, she wasn't a good enough mum! Strangely enough, she still is facinated by puppies and will interfere with them at every opportunity, but her own... no way! Strange how some love to be Aunties but not Mum!
    I'm waffling on again, but I think you get the point??

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    Whoa this one took off while I wasn't looking.

    BullyT I wasn't necessarily pointing any fingers but merely making an example of the vast differences involved in these sort of scenarios, and how broad sweeping statements really can't cover it all.

    And in saying don't be quick to judge etc I was making a general comment to the forum, as some on here are very, very quick to judge lately. Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way, was not remotely intended.

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    meegsndogs

    having a litter does not calm a bitch down or fire her up or meet doggy needs in any way. Even the bondi vet said this on the 7pm project.

    It does put her in the way of all the usual risks of a pregnancy, which include infection and death.

    Desexing her would reduce the chance of her getting a number of reproductive organ cancers. And would reduce her feeding requirements by roughly one third. And you don't get the mess associated with seasons - imagine - no tampons or pads for bitches.

    National Desexing Network | Benefits of Desexing

    I think if you want to modify/keep the (puppy) personality of a dog by desexing, you need to do it before doggy puberty. However a lot of vets don't like to do this. This is only my opinion based on unscientifically gathered experience - my dog was desexed at 8 weeks, is now a year and 9 months approximately and still acts very much like a puppy. Other dogs I've seen desexed older, no change at all in behaviour.

    Desexing a male dog late/after puberty or humping habit formed - may or may not reduce humping behaviour - it's hard to tell, but if you're not planning to breed - I think it's best to desex the dog.

    Some humans assume that their dog has the same desires they do to have children. But that doesn't even apply to all humans let alone dogs.

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    Ashaari

    Do you remember the NDTF talks on desexing???

    I'm trying to find the info on it and at the same time recall properly all the details on it.

    I know they talked of several studies done on de-sexing.

    The one part I do remember is that it was found consistently that dogs de-sexed before 7 months would actually grow taller than those de-sexed after reaching maturing. The dogs were often taller and leaner.

    De-sexing after a habit has formed or an instinct has been learned I can say from my own experience only makes minor changes on it's own but combine it with training and it becomes more effective.

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