Page 3 of 7 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 70

Thread: So We Can Discuss It

  1. #21
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    2,032

    Default

    Natty,
    I know that breeders sometimes have unplanned pregnancies, but then to my way of thinking they are the only people who should have entire animals in the first place.

    I would abort unless I was advised that there was a danger to the bitch in which case I would most certainly let the pregnancy run it's course and decide then what to do.

    I will be honest and say that I would pts the puppies if Mickey (Whippet) had mated with Gemma (Gordon Setter), although she is now de-sexed as she is not the best example of her breed. Because I do not believe that I could find suitable homes for a X-breed with such a high prey drive that those two breeds would create.

    If Mickey had got to Tilly this time I would of gone thru with the pregnancy as it is a mating I plan to do anyway and I have 3 people waiting for that mating and I'm interested in keeping one as well. But if it had happened a couple of months a go when I had a pile of bills I probably would have taken her for injections, I wouldn't have even needed to see them in the act, just the two of them not being where they should of been and she would of been off to the vet.

    I'm not saying there are not individual reasons for unplanned pregnancies to go ahead, but I guess it's the fact that people who are not showing/breeding want to keep entire animals or take on another entire animal for whatever reason and then are surprised that it happened in the first place.

    Gosh people, apologies for the novel. I don't mean to shove my opinion down peoples throats I just want people to think before they take on an entire animal for whatever good intensions to go home via the vet whenever possible.
    Last edited by mouseandchicken; 06-09-2010 at 09:35 AM.

  2. #22
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Lala Land!!!
    Posts
    1,226

    Default

    I understand where youare comming from MAC. I do not understand why people would keep dogs entire if they have one of each sex or they know their dogs get out or that they just thought it would be god for them to have pups before they were desexed. I do not understand that, but I have friends who only have girls and they have not need desexed. They live in a secure yard and if they are in season and and other dog is hanging around they are locked in the sun room and let out to pee supervised. I do not see anything wrong with that, to me that is being as responsible as getting them desexed. I mean it is more work for them but they do the right thing and in the 20 years of doing it this way they have never had any issues. My point, if I would hurry up and make it, is if they are responsible with their dogs I see it as their choice to desex or not. But the people who delibratly do not desex so their cutie can have babies piss me off to no end, and the people who let their bitches run with entire dogs so they have pups every time they come into season make me sick! But there are some people, for what ever reason, get stuck with an oops litter. I think that as long as they do the right thing by their bitch and the pups they should not be harrased. If they then go on and not desex that bitch then they are fools and piss me off as much as millers.
    What I am saing is that opps happens, I have had one. My tibby bitch busted out, with the help of the whippet, and was tied to a tentifield boy we had staying with us at the time before we knew it. She was needled, it didnt take, she had two crossbred pups. The boy is now a very sucessful assistance dog and the little girl is living the life with her new family.
    Last edited by Ashaari; 06-09-2010 at 10:06 AM.

    Breeding, Showing, Training and general crazy making!!!
    If you seek understanding listen to the music, not the song.

  3. #23
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    2,032

    Default

    Yes Ash it does happen and it will continue to happen. I consider myself fortunate in all the years I've kept entire dogs that it hasn't happened to me. But then I crate and then pen both the male and female. So each must go thru the crate and then the pen to get to the others pen and then crate. A lot of work but my choice because I'm so determined to keep that money and that litter for the litter of my choice.

    For those keeping one sex or the other then I guess yes it is their choice. My pet puppies go on a de-sexing contract, that I can't exactly hold over their head, but I will try. If I was to pack in my breeding and showing my dogs would all be de-sexed, too much hard work, too much to think about, too much risk.

    A friend just recently almost lost her whippet bitch with a planned litter, why risk that for an unplanned litter. That's the part I can't figure out.

    You said you at least tried the needle, that's all anyone can ask. You are also knowledgeable enough with the whelping process and more importantly the rehoming process and your Tibbie I guess was kept entire for a reason?

    If I'm harassing then I apologise to those people with an unplanned pregnancy, oops is to trivial for me, but I will say if you have one dog of each sex and don't do anything to prevent pregnancy then, well I guess I'm disheartened with the human race and probably should throw in the towel now.

    I understand that some people like to keep the drive in their males and like to leave them entire, by drive I don't mean sex drive. But as for keeping an entire female for no good reason, well I don't see the point in the mess. And I don't see enough evidence of the preference for the drive either for that matter.
    Last edited by mouseandchicken; 06-09-2010 at 10:54 AM.

  4. #24
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Tasmania
    Posts
    432

    Default

    Can I ask a question that might be a little bit OT.....

    I've heard the argument applied to dogs and cats that a girl should be allowed to have one litter before being desexed, to 'calm her down'.

    While I know this is wrong, I'm not sure of the facts so generally bite my tongue.

    What would you say to people who still hold that opinion? Apart from 'that's bull***t'

  5. #25
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Rural NSW
    Posts
    5,967

    Default

    I don't see the point of keeping entire females either due to the mess of seasons. One reason that up till now all I ever had were males or desexed or superanuated bitches. That was by choice. Now mine are desexed..phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

  6. #26
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    2,032

    Default

    Makes absolutely no difference. It's a fairy tale told by people who want an excuse not to de-sex.

    One of my best obedience bitches was desexed at six month of age before ever having a season.

    My preference as a pet is always a de-sexed dog. The mind does not wander to other things

  7. #27
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Lala Land!!!
    Posts
    1,226

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post

    For those keeping one sex or the other then I guess yes it is their choice. My pet puppies go on a de-sexing contract, that I can't exactly hold over their head, but I will try. If I was to pack in my breeding and showing my dogs would all be de-sexed, too much hard work, too much to think about, too much risk.

    A friend just recently almost lost her whippet bitch with a planned litter, why risk that for an unplanned litter. That's the part I can't figure out.

    You said you at least tried the needle, that's all anyone can ask. You are also knowledgeable enough with the whelping process and more importantly the rehoming process.

    If I'm harassing then I apologise to those people with an unplanned pregnancy, oops is to trivial for me, but I will say if you have one dog of each sex and don't do anything to prevent pregnancy then, well I guess I'm disheartened with the human race and probably should throw in the towel now.

    I can understand that some people like to keep the drive in their males and like to leave them entire, by drive I don't mean sex drive. But as for keeping an entire female for no good reason, well I don't see the point in the mess.
    Oh No I wasnt saying you I was just saying in general.
    And yes I agree with you that it is a hell of a lot easier to pay a few hundred to get them done than lock them up when they come in. I have only had one missmaing but it is a bitch enough because I then could not do the mating I had planned, nw I have people who have to wait until next year! Its easier to have my 'pets' are desexed, I am hoping to get Sophie done after I sell Tony as her temperment didnt turn out good enough to breed from.
    Hell if I didnt want to try for just one more brilliant litter from CC I would get her done too. She produces some damn fine babies, I am just hoping to use a dog with a wider nose to put her to and maybe a tighter tail and I think I will have what I am looking for. OT but I think the mark of a great breeder is one that can openly pick their dogs faults. I know what her faults are and so I know what I am looking for in a dog.
    Most of my tibbie pups go out entire. I do not like doing them young, they are too small IMO and I have seen a vet almost kill one of them so no they are not done, but I do get the new families to do them when they are big enough, its easier for them!

    As for the litter then desexing thing it accually greatly reduces the risk of mamory cancer if they are done without having a litter.
    Letting a dog sire a litter before desexing IMO just makes him more enclined to act like a rig... act entire even though he can not sire anything. This means he will feel a greater need to mark and hump. It makes it harder to train out of them because they know what they are meant to be doing even if they can not do it anymore. That was apparently arkis issue, he was a show/stud dog and when he got desexed they found it hard to stop the marking and everything.
    Last edited by Ashaari; 06-09-2010 at 10:58 AM.

    Breeding, Showing, Training and general crazy making!!!
    If you seek understanding listen to the music, not the song.

  8. #28
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Tasmania
    Posts
    432

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post

    If I'm harassing then I apologise to those people with an unplanned pregnancy
    Anything but MAC, I wish everyone here thought as carefully before posting. Me included

  9. #29
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    2,032

    Default

    No worries. I'm a bit annoyed at the moment, went to the shelter on the weekend and assessed three dogs temperaments and recommended them all to be PTS.

    The shelter cannot afford to keep them when other more easily rehomed dogs are waiting. And because I have had bitches in season I have been tied to home more than usual and could not get out there to do more work with them. The final decision was mine, not one I liked.

    My young puppies also go out entire, under a de-sexing contract with a $100 cash back. I'm thinking Star will be rehomed, still waiting a little longer to make my final decision. She will be about 6 months old when I make my final decision and she will go de-sexed. Not looking forward to that day.

    Getting back on subject though your Tibbie was kept entire for a reason, so again that's not what "gets under my skin".
    Last edited by mouseandchicken; 06-09-2010 at 11:09 AM.

  10. #30
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    2,032

    Default

    Oh just have to add to your comments Ash re de-sexing after a mating.

    I always say to people that its now not just natural instinct but learned and he'll enjoy all the benefits just about without having to pay maintenance. It's why some shelter dogs come into houses with terrible marking problems.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •