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    I'm into this tooth and nail.

    So is the lady down the road. They are expecting a litter of Labs soon, her last had 4 with cleft palate and she's never had any before, & since this will not be either the dogs or bitches first litters she said she will go after the council for all she's worth with the vet to back her.

    So today I lost a puppy, but I also made a fellow dog friend.

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    Out of unhappiness came happiness, good luck with the fight and I hope you have made a wonderful friend out of this sadness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    Well guys, you may be interested to know that my vet asked if he can use little Sicky (who was pts) and several foals that have been born recently with defects to the council in his fight against having the roadside sprayed with weed killer.

    I know the father has no history of cleft palate because his breeder is a friend, and have just been off the phone from the mums breeder also no cleft palate history.

    The vet said there has been a high incidence of this just recently and our street was one of those sprayed because it has some conservation areas and the council doesn't want the weeds on the roadside getting into these areas.

    So little Sicky may become part of a fight against the spraying of chemicals without the locals having some sort of say in it.
    Hi Mac, sorry to hear of the loss of one pup.

    However, my concern is this: Is there any confirmation or tests done to confirm that the spraying IS responsible for these ailments your vet is speaking of?

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    My vet feels that the level of birth defects he has treated since the introduction of the spraying warrants further investigation.

    It was stopped several years ago when a large free-range chicken operation put in complaints.

    The vet said there has to be than just a coincidence that defects are rising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    My vet feels that the level of birth defects he has treated since the introduction of the spraying warrants further investigation.
    It was stopped several years ago when a large free-range chicken operation put in complaints.

    The vet said there has to be than just a coincidence that defects are rising.
    Thanks Mac.

    I can see why he would feel that it needs further looking into. In a way I hope should he succeed that this is the answer to the increased level of birth defects. To wonder why else such an increase would occur is possibly even more scary.

    All the best for you, and your vet in getting the answers.

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    There is inconclusive evidence, however after speaking further with neighbour down the road the chicken place had the power to stop council. A nearby arabian horse stud also had problems when they were spraying some years back.

    It could all be coincidence but the horse stud and chicken farm had a good case because they have dams on their properties and there could of been some run off.

    The council then organised a volunteer bush regeneration group, which I have seen working in groups on the road that both these properties are on. Ours however they kept spraying.

    The vet feels that there is as much chance that there is a connection as not.

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    Well, if his gut feeling and his eyes in the surgery with what he;s seeing tells him there could be, then there is a fair chance there is.

    We have an issue such as this on the West Coast ATM, except it is humans, not animals affected. Same scenario of proving it though. Very hard battle.

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    My vet has advised me that "Little Sicky" did not have a cleft palate.

    The roof of her mouth just hadn't fully formed correctly, it happens.

    It still affected her ability to suck and she would of died as soon as I stopped tube feeding so we made the right decision but he will not be including her in his report to council regarding the spraying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseandchicken View Post
    My vet has advised me that "Little Sicky" did not have a cleft palate.

    The roof of her mouth just hadn't fully formed correctly, it happens.

    It still affected her ability to suck and she would of died as soon as I stopped tube feeding so we made the right decision but he will not be including her in his report to council regarding the spraying.
    Oh mouse Im so very very sorry mate. I completely missed this thread and was totally unaware that the little one was gone.

    's to you for making the right decision for the poor little thing.


    I hope this new friend will be one for a lifetime. IMO EVERYTHING happens for a reason

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    Yeah she was not to be. When she didn't suckle the first thing I looked for was a cleft palate and you could see something was not normal but it didn't run from front right thru to back like most do.

    But their mouths are so small it's hard to get in there to see but when he did the autopsy he said it wasn't cleft, just not fully formed.

    As the vet said 8 puppies for a 10.5kg bitch is a lot and often something has to give. Not the technical terms he used but you get my drift.

    Judge, your little MW is still going great guns, and would have to be one of the cheeky ones.

    They moved into the lounge room today to take in more of the noise and traffic. Before I know it they'll be ready for the great outdoors.

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