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Thread: Bitches being overprotective.. is it due to Pregnancy??

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    If you just want to have fun with your girl you can join the local dog club, look it up in your area. You don't have to compete, it's more a chance for the dogs to learn basic manners and have a go at agility. I take my boy for the socialization, he loves other dogs and its an opportunity for him to meet them in a controlled environment. I can't see him ever bringinging home any big awards or titles, I'm not dedicated enough.
    Many years ago I used to show Dachshunds, also had a highly trained GSD. Theres an awful lot of work involved and can get very competitive. Like you Ruby Gloom I just want to have fun now.

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    "This forum isn't completely hung up on whether you register with ANKC or even if you mate two different breeds, but you'd better be following the responsible and ethical guidelines written with your bitch and the puppies health and well being in mind or we're not going to be nice. "

    LOL!!! I vehemently beg to differ. I find it funny you should say that, since when I mentioned breeding *my* dogs, both of the same breed, one registered with the ANKC and one not, you lot b*tched at me for 'not breeding two dogs of pedigree status', despite intending to health check BOTH before breeding (for available diseases) and having buyers lined up. Haha, you guys crack me up. Really.

    RubyGloom - they'll do this whenever someone new asks for help regarding dog breeding (luckily there are a few genuinely helpful ones here!). Have a discussion with your vet about it, and any seasoned breeders near about. Maybe you can find a local lab-breeder and chat with them, ask them about what they do before mating a bitch with the stud, what are the prevalent problems in your breed, etc. They can be expensive but the health tests are absolutely worth it, because you can't imagine the heartbreak the new family would feel if their dog had inherited some disease from your bitch (I believe labs are susceptible to hip and elbow problems but I can't be sure). It's really not worth the risk and upset if she's not healthy.

    Hold off from breeding her for a while and spend the time in between researching. The internet turns up all sorts of interesting tidbits, and vets and breeders are invaluable information. Have a look and find some well-reviewed books about labs/lab breeding/health, because these will also provide good info. Don't be discouraged - just make sure you make a well-informed decision to breed her. If you're thinking of breeding for money, you'll be disappointed - as tons of breeders just barely break even when their litter is sold when they include the cost of vaccines, worming, and tests (as well as food etc.). I bought my bitch with the intention to breed a few years ago and I've spent the whole while researching - there's still plenty to learn though (haven't bred her yet).

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    Striker - I think Hya meant that not everyone has that opinion but most of us do. Breeding of unregistered dogs absolutely disgusts me. Obviously it's not AS bad if there's health testing and contracts signed and deposits taken so all puppies have homes etc but I can't understand why somebody would want to breed an unregistered litter when there are already so many registered breeders out there.

    Personally, I don't see the point in breeding so many dogs. Unless you absolutely have a major passion and are willing to spend the money and the time and genuinely want to improve the breed. It should be a condition of breeding that you have to go to the local pound or shelter first and see how many sad, lonely dogs are out there looking for homes and know that for each puppy you breed, one of these dogs miss out on their homes. I wonder how many people would change their mind about breeding then... Surely quite a few!!

    We could probably quite easily half the number of registered breeders and completely stop BYBs (unregistered breeders) and still quite happily have enough dogs for everyone. (Oh what a wonderful world that would be!)

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    I really think that anyone that wants to breed should go and volunteer for a couple of weeks in a shelter and see if they still want to after. There is nothing more heartbreaking than leaving those poor dogs there once your shift is over in their horrible cramped pens with out anyone to love them.

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    your bitch and the puppies health and well being in mind
    This bit, plus the fact that your plan would be breaking ANKC guide lines by breeding an ANKC dog with a not ANKC dog... and a bunch of other reasons... there were a bunch of reasons why we weren't nice with your choice of pairings. You hadn't done the DNA tests and etc. At least you listened - even if you choose to ignore some or all of what we suggest.

    And yes, there are some here who feel ANKC is the only way to go despite some of the mistakes that get done in their name. But you can discuss possibities outside the ANKC line and not get banned. Unlike the dark side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
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    This bit, plus the fact that your plan would be breaking ANKC guide lines by breeding an ANKC dog with a not ANKC dog... and a bunch of other reasons... there were a bunch of reasons why we weren't nice with your choice of pairings. You hadn't done the DNA tests and etc. At least you listened - even if you choose to ignore some or all of what we suggest.

    And yes, there are some here who feel ANKC is the only way to go despite some of the mistakes that get done in their name. But you can discuss possibities outside the ANKC line and not get banned. Unlike the dark side.
    ANKC is just one breed registery. My working dogs are registered on working registers appropriate to their breeding and function. There are some working registers that are breed specific and others that are working related, so you can have a BC/kelpie mix and as long as they pass a rigourous working assessment by an accredited person or their parents were on the working registry then they will be eligible for registration with a working sheepdog register. It is all about the working traits. Often farmers will breed their own top working dogs outaide any registration system, but they have very clear goals.


    I think the important thing is that if one must breed ones dog that you do have clear goals as to why you want to breed your dog. I have several good quality registered working dogs. The reason I dont breed them is because their genetics are already in the hands of experienced sheepdog breeders who supply the need.

    The other reason is that I also agree that there are probably too many dogs been bred out there by registered and unregistered breeders alike. The world certainly doesnt need me adding more puppies to it. My personal opinion is that there is already too much breeding going on. I dont really know what the solution is but I do my bit by not adding to the problem.

    As mentioned the relevent health test are really important and labs do indeed have one of the higher incidences of hip and elbow dysplasias, so it is essential that this is done and one gets as much background as possible on the dogs lines.
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    Nice post Kalacreek

    I agree with all of it. I know there are other breed registries out there. I just don't like when someone breaks the rules of the one they're in...

    It is a bit tricky when someone who is ANKC registererd sells a registered puppy and the buyer is the one who breaks all the rules. I think that's rude on the part of the buyer. If they don't want to be in the ANKC system, don't buy an ANKC puppy.

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    So..you can't buy an ANKC dog if you're not 'willing' to be in the ANKC system, but you don't condone backyard breeders. So, pray tell, how is one to get a specific breed without going to either of these institutions? Breed clubs etc are likely to rehome dogs that are, surprisingly, from either an ANKC line or a backyard breeder. Hm.

    Interesting note on the breeding of dogs; I had a lengthy discussion with my vet today (who I trust) about breeding, and he gave the green light and some actually very useful information. I don't want to hear 'he must be a bad vet' because he disagrees with your personal opinion. But it's an interesting find nonetheless.

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    Except for farmers/police/military etc who want working lines, why would you not be "willing" to be in the ANKC system? It's clearly your best chance of getting a well bred dog!

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    I don't know if you've noticed, but I quite like arguing or debating - sometimes it helps me understand things better and even learn new things. The best kind of debating is when everyone involved can learn something and they are willing to listen to a valid point of view and test the logic of it, and sometimes the science of it. And admit when they've been wrong about something or that the other person's point of view is equally right/valid.

    So ANKC is designed to be a closed system. I'm not sure how you get around that without being expelled (if they notice). They may well fall foul of monopoly and restraint of trade legislation depending what they do. Hence organisations like the MDBA.

    But I think the foundation ideas are pretty good, so I don't freak out if someone says they're breeding outside the system, as long as they follow the basic guidelines that are for the dog health and wellbeing.

    But at some point - given the ANKC rules - if someone gets one of these dogs and breeds outside their system, their rules have been broken by someone. True if you never joined that might not be a problem - since you don't have to be a member to buy an ANKC dog. But it is rude as far as the original breeder of the dog is concerned and it is what puppy mill farmers do. So I guess there's a bit of a spectrum - people who stay in the ANKC system, people who buy an ANKC dog and desex it... people who buy an ANKC dog which may not be the breeders idea of a worthy specimen, and breed it anyway outside the system. And puppy mill people who don't care about the welfare of any dog at all.

    Does your vet know about "exercise induced collapse" in BCs? Or that nerve thing that kills BC puppies before they're 6 months old? etc?

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