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    Quote Originally Posted by RubyGloom View Post
    To everyone that has just put me down and said i'm doing the wrong thing. Thanks (insert sarcasm) the first pregnancy was unplanned and I had ultrasounds and tests done and the vets said that she wasn't pregnant. There was nothing in her tummy. She went on heat at 11months old and was staying at my mums with her dogs. If we had of known she was pregnant we would have spayed her. We bought her to breed after 2 years of age. This time around I was looking after my mums boy for a weekend and she went on heat. (I was going on 11 months and she has been with him before and nothing happened). and plus we already had buyers for the first litter and for any litter she has again. She is not pregnant this time and now that I have changed Vets and know her cycle she wont be getting pregnant for a while.
    Rubygloom I hope you stay around and ask questions. Yes you did do the wrong thing by have an unsterilised bitch and not being aware of the breeding cycle and allowing her to potentially get in to these situations, there really are very few excuses for unplanned pregnancies all though they do happen, but potentially twice?. So just man or woman up and accept that. I know plenty of people who manage their unsterilised dogs without incident.

    However moving on you now have the opportunity to learn all there is about breeding a bitch which includes screening for the genetic conitions such as hip and elbow dysplasias which are very common in labs and are life crippling conditions. I am sure there are many here that will answer these types of questions and give you any support you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Rubygloom I hope you stay around and ask questions. Yes you did do the wrong thing by have an unsterilised bitch and not being aware of the breeding cycle and allowing her to potentially get in to these situations, there really are very few excuses for unplanned pregnancies all though they do happen, but potentially twice?. So just man or woman up and accept that. I know plenty of people who manage their unsterilised dogs without incident.

    However moving on you now have the opportunity to learn all there is about breeding a bitch which includes screening for the genetic conitions such as hip and elbow dysplasias which are very common in labs and are life crippling conditions. I am sure there are many here that will answer these types of questions and give you any support you need.

    Thanks KalaCreek, my vet never told me anything about screening. but the breeder I bought her from said she's pretty sure Ruby doesn't have the conditions, as both parents didn't. I love my dog as like my third daughter as that is what she is in our family. She wasn't due to go onto heat this time around, I was sure she still had a couple of months to go, but as this is only her second heat, i wasn't breeding her anyway. But as I am still very new at owning a female dog I am open to criticism and help. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by RubyGloom View Post
    Thanks KalaCreek, my vet never told me anything about screening. but the breeder I bought her from said she's pretty sure Ruby doesn't have the conditions, as both parents didn't. I love my dog as like my third daughter as that is what she is in our family. She wasn't due to go onto heat this time around, I was sure she still had a couple of months to go, but as this is only her second heat, i wasn't breeding her anyway. But as I am still very new at owning a female dog I am open to criticism and help. Thanks
    Do you have certificates proving the health screening of her parents? Does she have main registered papers?

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    Hi RubyGloom,

    A lot of us here own/have owned (or have dealt with in some way) rescues who were unnecessarily bred and ended up unwanted in pounds/shelters. They don't always end up in these places directly from the 'breeder', a lot of the time they end up due to the owners not wanting to keep them due to them being destructive, untrained, new babies, moving, conditions such as HD etc.

    An ethical, registered breeder will not breed a dog unless they are clear of any genetic conditions and they will be willing to take any dog back, at any stage of its life, if they are unable to be kept by the owner. These people will only breed their dog if they have a reason to do so, generally excellent working lines or they want to better the breed in some way, they don't breed to make money off puppies or because 'puppies are cute and I want to/have the kids experience it' or anything similar to that. So unless you are willing to become a registered ANKC breeder and breed ONLY to improve the breed (which involves a lot of research and planning), I suggest you desex your bitch before she has any more litters.

    Have a look at petrescue.com.au, there are over 3000 unwanted dogs looking for homes, and that doesn't count the thousands not advertised or the half a million unwanted dogs put down last year alone, do you really want to either directly or indirectly contribute to that?

    Yes, people on this forum may come across as harsh and maybe even rude, but it's only because we love dogs and don't want to see any more unnecessary litters that lead to dogs being homeless and put to sleep...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RubyGloom View Post
    Thanks KalaCreek, my vet never told me anything about screening. but the breeder I bought her from said she's pretty sure Ruby doesn't have the conditions, as both parents didn't. I love my dog as like my third daughter as that is what she is in our family. She wasn't due to go onto heat this time around, I was sure she still had a couple of months to go, but as this is only her second heat, i wasn't breeding her anyway. But as I am still very new at owning a female dog I am open to criticism and help. Thanks
    I would find a vet who has experience working with breeders. I would get any hip/elbow scores certificates of the parents from the breeder and also any other proof of genetic testing certificates. My breeder gave me all the relevant paperwork pertaining to my dogs parents. For some conditions if the parents are clear so will the pups be. However this is not the case for ED and HD. These conditions are polygenic and can skip a generation. The best plan is to hip and elbow score every dog before breeding and this then builds up a history and the more generations you have good hips and elbows this reduces the chances of the pups having these conditions. I have a dog with ED and it is expensive, she has already had $5000 worth of surgery.

    I would also learn about structure or have your bitch evaluated, this always is good as it increases the chances of nicely structured puppies which reduces the chance of orthopedic problems.

    If you can find someone who breeds good quality labs that can guide you this is ideal. Perhaps you can go to a few dog shows or field retrieving trials to get even more of an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RubyGloom View Post
    To everyone that has just put me down and said i'm doing the wrong thing. Thanks (insert sarcasm) the first pregnancy was unplanned and I had ultrasounds and tests done and the vets said that she wasn't pregnant. There was nothing in her tummy. She went on heat at 11months old and was staying at my mums with her dogs. If we had of known she was pregnant we would have spayed her. We bought her to breed after 2 years of age. This time around I was looking after my mums boy for a weekend and she went on heat. (I was going on 11 months and she has been with him before and nothing happened). and plus we already had buyers for the first litter and for any litter she has again. She is not pregnant this time and now that I have changed Vets and know her cycle she wont be getting pregnant for a while.
    Sorry, but I'm calling bullsh*t on this.

    You bought the bitch to breed?? But you have no idea of the very basics of dog reproduction??

    A bitch will be in season for at least a week, and more usually 10-11 days, before she is capable of being bred.

    I realise that Kalacreek has come across here as trying to be diplomatic. But what you have posted indicates that you have purchased and raised this bitch with the intention of breeding her for the purpose of making money. If you have any genuine rebuttal to that then go ahead. But what you have posted her so far shows exactly that.

    I'm not talking nicey nicey about this. Greedy people cause animals to suffer. If you have actually taken orders for puppies from a juvenile, unregistered, non-health tested bitch - and are planning to accept money for those puppies, I hope you sit down and have a long hard think about potential repercussions for your dog and for yourself - emotionally, physically and financially.

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    This situation is unfortunately not uncommon but it still did strike me as odd and initially I thought it might have been a troll winding us up.

    However if Rubygloom is open to having a conversation about this and finding out more information about breeding and breeding decisions then it could be a good outcome. I am happy to give information if someone genuinely wants to learn what is the best for their bitch and chosen breed. Too many storm off in a huff but if they hang around and they clearly want to know more, then that has got to be a good thing?.

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    ps. dont forget the morning after pill for dogs. A needed addition occasionally in a 14yr lifecycle of being in season twice a year.
    For unwanted pups of indescriminate breeds and genetic bad matches. Something i have had to use once, as these horny dogs can be very resourceful sometimes.

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    Jodi. desexed, also has and always does act like this too. She does not like me paying attention to any of the others and will rush to put herself between them and me. She knows that she has to put up with it though and she does..voicing her displeasure with whines and groans that we, including the other dogs just ignore. I sometimes just roll my eyes at her and say "oh for gawds, sake, get over it" When they have all had their time with me she settles next to me on the floor in her usual place whilst the others flake out in their similar chosen spots in the room.

    As it does not escalate, as it is just the usual, we don't do anything about it. It has been nearly 4 years this way but action will be taken if needed.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    I have given all the owners that bought the pups off of me the option for me to take the pups back if they cannot manage.
    One of the pups needed surgery at 6weeks of age which I paid for myself and took care of all the aftercare. Yes I have done the wrong thing in letting her breed and have pups so young and i take full responsibility. I would love to learn more, preferably in training her (not that she isn't well behaved already) maybe agility??

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