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    I have a friend who has the most gorgeous bull terrier in all ways - not just skin deep.

    Anyway this dog has had more than her fair share of accidents - including a crushed paw - which hasn't healed straight. She still won shows. And even won shows after she was desexed.

    There are best neuter classes now, so I'm not sure if limted register precludes entering those or not. Something to think about. I hate entering things where the winners are chosen entirely subjectively by the one judge. I prefer when there is some element of undeniable skill.

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    However back to the original question Bernie asked, how to go about getting a good show quality/stud dog.

    Probably the best bet would be to get involved int he GSD League and find out about their grading days.

    Then the only way to guarantee a good prospect is to go for a young adult where it's prospects are more known.

    After you've found out all you need to know about the breed, from a show and breeding side of things, including bloodlines and seen what's at the grading and specialty show days, I'd find several breeders you like and talk to them about a possible stud dog.

    I personally think it's easier to get a good stud than a bitch, because keeping several entire males is hard (when they are around entire bitches), so you may find a breeder who is interested in keeping the pick bitch from a litter but would love to place out in maybe joint ownership the best dog pup.

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    thanks heaps for all the info.
    I gather that my best option, would be to take a dog under licence, with breeders name still on papers. Do the show thing, get as high as possible. Breeder can then use dog to mate with suitable match.

    ok, my fear here would be that the owner could somehow take my dog away. Can you reassure me that this can be protected against. After all, this would be a family member, not a piece of merchandise.

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    and another question too.

    Would i have to do show events, or could i do obedience and agility or tracking. If you are a breeder, and i was taking a pup on licence, would this cut it. Or would you want the show ring titles to add to prestige of the sire?

    Im not sure i could do showing. I havent tried it for over 20 years, and i didnt like it back then.

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    Hi Bernie

    I'm not a big fan of co-ownership. It's a bit like being co-tenant on the lease. Great until something goes wrong and you disagree with the other person.

    You could get a dog on "main registration" - which means you would not have to desex and you could show if you wanted. If you didn't want to show, but your breeder did - they could organise to "borrow" your dog and show or you can go with them and let them do the show ring handling.

    If you wanted to do agility and all that - if the dog is not a pedigree, it must be desexed to compete in ANKC affiliated events. In some states - there are some non ANKC events, eg QLD has an independent agility competition, and some states have schutzhund or variations on that theme (look like lots of fun especially with a GSD or similar).

    It would depend on the breeder whether they thought doing dog sports was as good as showing. Some competitors will seek out a breeder of dogs that do well in dog sports - if that's what they're into. Some BC breeders etc - are into both showing and dog sports. And by dog sports I mean any sport you can compete in with a dog, eg herding, tracking, retrieving, agility, obedience, fly ball etc.

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    I have a dog on co-ownership. Not sure what this license thing is you are talking of?

    I've had co-ownership dogs previously and have never had a problem. I am the person on the microchip and the council registration paperwork. Dual names are only on the Registration papers. So the dog is co-registered but not owned so to speak.

    What it does mean is that prior to him being used for stud the breeder must also approve of the bitch and sign the paperwork.

    If the dog is of exceptional standard then I'd show it.

    However at the same time nothing stops me from using a dog, it could have no titles or obedience titles. What I'm interested in is bloodlines.

    Eg, I'm thinking of using a dog that doesn't have it's championship as the owners have retired from the show scene, but he has some wonderful english bloodlines that would compliment one of my bitches. I've seen him and he's beautiful and he could easily title to champion. That's what most people want - could he easily be a champion.

    The thing is I wouldn't know of him unless I wasn't introduced to them by mutual friends.

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    Bernie, personally my advice would be to avoid the show scene with GSDs unless you have a really thick skin because it can be terribly political - some will only do specialist GSD shows and detest those who only do all breeds shows with GSDs and vice versa. There are some very nice people showing GSD's, I'm sure, but boy you really need a thick skin if you happen to caught up in the polictics!!
    By all means attend a few confirmation shows, both specialist/grading and all-breeds, but choose obedience and/or a dog sport for your nice GSD and I reckon that you will probably have a LOT more fun and can still get titles.

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