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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    If a dog had a kink in the tail but was otherwise good it wouldn't and hasn't deterred me from entering and winning with the dog. In Whippets, a hook tail is not desirable but I've seen some very good Whippets with hook tails that win.

    It may ruin the dog on the stack but if it has other outstanding qualities it won't stop many judges putting it up above other dogs.
    I remember a few years ago I bought a cattle dog pup from a breeder for half price because she had a kink in her tail. A hook tail I guess.

    That dog grew into an absolutely stunning animal and several of my show/ breeder friends commented on her, she also often drew comments from people. I took her back once to board with her breeder and when I arrived the breeder rushed off to get her partner to look at her. Apparently apart from her tail she was perfect. Too late - I had already spayed her, much to the dissapointment of her breeder who now wished she had kept her. I had to chuckle at my little reject puppy causing a stir with her beauty. She was an incredibly athletic animal too.

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    Yep been there and done that. Pet homed a dog that grew into a beauty, it's the luck of the draw and what you see at the time, which when they are young is difficult and sometimes it will be something like a hook tail or a light eye that will make the decision for you.

    I sent a lovely pup to WA, they were on a driving holiday last Christmas and stopped in with her. She was a pup I very much liked, but sometimes when she ran her back legs didn't move right, (too hard to explain the action via type), so I committed her to a home in WA. When I saw her she grew into those uncontrolled legs and was lovely.

    In that litter I ran on two litter sisters, rehoming one at 8 months of age. My 2011 litter I ran on 3, two bitches and one dog, I quickly rehomed the girls at about 3 months, and then rehomed the boy a couple of months ago so I didn't get anything out of that litter. The thing is I often get snide remarks "how can you part with them, how can you rehome them, you mustn't love them". Nobody sees me walk away and cry.

    Breeding can be a damned if you do and damned if you don't kind of thing.

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    If a pedigree pup is put on the limited register, they can still breed and have puppies but those litters cannot be registered on the pedigree registry.

    I would think the reason the pup with the broken tail was put on the limited register was because the breeder only wanted her offspring to have puppies if the dames were performing well in the ring. If a breeder can show each generation produced champion after champion, her status and value of the pups increases. That pup would not obtain such a high title so she did not want it to have pups that would "dilute" her lines achievments.
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    Hmmm interesting stuff guys..
    Mac you are pretty much spot on with all your posts there..
    Most of the time puppies are registered on limited yes to protect their line
    and only 1 or 2 are put on main ..
    Dogues change from one week to another so this is why people really can't come
    and look when they are only around 3 or 4 weeks old..
    They need to be assessed around 7 weeks and the breeder will then decide who or if any
    will be on main registration or maybe one could be reserved .

    Yes puppies can still be bred from when on limited but puppies can not be registered.
    In my personal opinion I wouldn't pay alot of money if it has not got pedigree papers..
    I have seen a lot of this breed for around $1000 unregistered and I would rather spend the extra
    to get one with papers..
    And I would prefer to talk with a registered Kennel that has done all health testing, in my opinion
    the hip/elbow scoring is number one MUST in breeding.
    Look alot of people can argue over breeders making money ect ...
    I for one have not yet met someone that breeds this breed that has money or is rich from breeding..
    All my money goes back into my dogs, plus all my dogs are insured.
    And my bank account is topped up for an accidents that may happen along the way which I had
    last litter.

    If you are serious about showing/breeding you really need to research the breed and talk to heaps of
    breeders with that breed..
    I am trying to get into showing and have no idea so I need to get my butt into gear and get out there
    and watch some shows so I can learn from others..

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    I think that is why some breeders sell Fully Registered puppies with trusted owners or put them on contracts, so that they can still use them in their breeding program if they turn out spectacular and can get them desexed if not
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    A breeder can upgrade paperwork from Limited to Full and change Full to Limited Register. There is a small cost up to about $66.00 depending on the age of the dog.
    Last edited by MAC; 07-15-2012 at 05:17 PM.

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    Protecting a line.... for me personally it's not so much protecting a line, but protecting a pup then protecting the breed.

    Most people who come and buy a pet from me generally always fall for the pet quality puppy, the one that's a bit different. From my 2010 litter it was the tiniest red/fawn bitch pup with a slightly dome head that attracted the most attention, awwww she's so cute and yes she was. I see pictures of her all the time, she was a pet from the minute she was born and still is today. But she's has a wonderful home and is well loved and is desexed.

    As to her litter sister that went to WA and changed into beauty, also desexed; I'm really glad that she developed so well and I'm not in the least bit sorry because she too is in a fabulous home and ultimately that's the main thing.

    I have one co-owned dog.

    Whippets are a hard dog to pick a winner from at a young age, not normally before 9 months of age, mainly because not only to they have a top line but also an underline, add to that the daisy cutting side gait and the soft series of curves and it's a total nightmare what you look for in a pup is not what you would look for in an adult. A good Whippet pup is not a miniature of an adult one, pick that one and you are going to be very disappointed. Fortunately they are easy in respect to diet etc.

    I know a few people who say they can pick their winner when they are 'wet', but I'm not one of them.

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    deleted post as it duplicated.
    Last edited by MAC; 07-15-2012 at 05:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC View Post
    The thing is I often get snide remarks "how can you part with them, how can you rehome them, you mustn't love them". Nobody sees me walk away and cry.

    Breeding can be a damned if you do and damned if you don't kind of thing.
    I have no problems with breeders rehoming if the dogs dont work out either as working dogs or show dogs or their breeding career is over, my family has had a number of great dogs come to us this way. A good breeder will find the best homes for these dogs who usually go on to be a treasured pet.

    I guess my point is that a hook tail or small kink is probably low on the list of things that will dilute a dogs lines. I would be much more concerned about the big hitters like dysplasias, hearts, eyes etc depending on the breed. For the breeds where these are big issues I believe only health tested dogs should be allowed in the ring, hook tail is the least of the concerns in some of these breeds.

    Whippets I would suggest are probably low risk when it comes to the dysplasias, but cattle dogs for example are rising fast on the dysplasia scale.

    I have another beautiful cattle dog on the main register, looks fab, fab temperament, moves great and no one but I would know if I had trotted her out in the show ring that she has had surgery for mild bilateral ED although I did let her breeder know. She is spayed I might add.
    Last edited by Kalacreek; 07-15-2012 at 08:21 PM.

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    In the past some of my Breeders re-homes have ended up being my dogs........She looked for good homes and i had beautiful dogs because of this
    Pets are forever

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